1 00:00:21,264 --> 00:00:24,043 ♪ eerie music ♪ 2 00:00:24,043 --> 00:00:24,701 ♪ eerie music ♪ 3 00:00:24,734 --> 00:00:27,804 [man] This is the video, it's called the Kumburgaz video, 4 00:00:27,837 --> 00:00:30,043 which is a close-up of a craft. 5 00:00:30,043 --> 00:00:30,207 which is a close-up of a craft. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,110 So close that you can see the occupants. 7 00:00:33,143 --> 00:00:35,145 It is 100% real, 8 00:00:35,178 --> 00:00:36,043 and I was there as that was filmed. 9 00:00:36,043 --> 00:00:36,980 and I was there as that was filmed. 10 00:00:37,013 --> 00:00:38,481 [camera shutter clicking] 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,096 [newsman] The Pentagon now confirms the existence 12 00:00:53,129 --> 00:00:54,043 of a secretive UFO program investigating reports 13 00:00:54,043 --> 00:00:57,100 of a secretive UFO program investigating reports 14 00:00:57,133 --> 00:00:58,635 of unidentified flying objects. 15 00:00:58,668 --> 00:01:00,043 [Diana Walsh Pasulka] I remember, when I woke up 16 00:01:00,043 --> 00:01:00,604 [Diana Walsh Pasulka] I remember, when I woke up 17 00:01:00,637 --> 00:01:02,973 the day it came out, it was a bombshell, right? 18 00:01:03,006 --> 00:01:04,307 That's what it was. 19 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:06,043 [John Greenewald Jr.] This is it. 20 00:01:06,043 --> 00:01:06,209 [John Greenewald Jr.] This is it. 21 00:01:06,242 --> 00:01:08,378 This is when the government and the military is gonna come out 22 00:01:08,411 --> 00:01:11,614 and reveal the truth behind what these UFOs are. 23 00:01:14,851 --> 00:01:16,753 [man] I believe, as do the other folks 24 00:01:16,786 --> 00:01:18,043 that were on the flight, that it was something 25 00:01:18,043 --> 00:01:18,755 that were on the flight, that it was something 26 00:01:18,788 --> 00:01:19,956 not from this world. 27 00:01:19,989 --> 00:01:21,091 [Leslie Kean] The question, 28 00:01:21,124 --> 00:01:22,192 "Do you believe in UFOs?" 29 00:01:22,225 --> 00:01:23,426 really doesn't make any sense. 30 00:01:23,459 --> 00:01:24,043 There's no issue of belief there. 31 00:01:24,043 --> 00:01:25,262 There's no issue of belief there. 32 00:01:25,295 --> 00:01:28,698 -[woman] Those are aliens! -[man] Look, they're stopping. 33 00:01:28,731 --> 00:01:30,043 [woman] Literally, what the actual [bleep] is going on? 34 00:01:30,043 --> 00:01:32,769 [woman] Literally, what the actual [bleep] is going on? 35 00:01:32,802 --> 00:01:36,043 [Pasulka] You have people experiencing something 36 00:01:36,043 --> 00:01:36,473 [Pasulka] You have people experiencing something 37 00:01:36,506 --> 00:01:38,808 that they don't quite understand. 38 00:01:39,642 --> 00:01:42,043 [man over radio] My gosh! Look at that thing! 39 00:01:42,043 --> 00:01:42,845 [man over radio] My gosh! Look at that thing! 40 00:01:44,347 --> 00:01:46,849 [whooshing] 41 00:01:47,750 --> 00:01:48,043 [Kevin Day] When this whole thing started, 42 00:01:48,043 --> 00:01:49,519 [Kevin Day] When this whole thing started, 43 00:01:49,552 --> 00:01:51,188 I tried to tell people about it. 44 00:01:51,221 --> 00:01:54,043 I was really frustrated, because no one seemed to care. 45 00:01:54,043 --> 00:01:55,558 I was really frustrated, because no one seemed to care. 46 00:01:56,759 --> 00:01:59,396 This thing almost killed me, man. 47 00:01:59,429 --> 00:02:00,043 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 48 00:02:00,043 --> 00:02:00,931 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 49 00:02:00,964 --> 00:02:03,466 ♪ 50 00:02:13,376 --> 00:02:15,645 [wind whistling softly] 51 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:18,043 ♪ pulsing, suspenseful music ♪ 52 00:02:18,043 --> 00:02:19,583 ♪ pulsing, suspenseful music ♪ 53 00:02:19,616 --> 00:02:22,685 ♪ 54 00:02:26,889 --> 00:02:29,559 [George Knapp] The UFO world's just crazy. 55 00:02:29,592 --> 00:02:30,043 Everybody has their own turf. 56 00:02:30,043 --> 00:02:31,828 Everybody has their own turf. 57 00:02:31,861 --> 00:02:34,730 ♪ 58 00:02:39,035 --> 00:02:40,537 [door bell tinkles] 59 00:02:40,570 --> 00:02:42,043 I chose to move to Las Vegas on a coin flip. 60 00:02:42,043 --> 00:02:44,274 I chose to move to Las Vegas on a coin flip. 61 00:02:44,307 --> 00:02:45,875 Just flat-out luck that I happened to be 62 00:02:45,908 --> 00:02:47,677 in the right place at the right time 63 00:02:47,710 --> 00:02:48,043 and got to meet the right people. 64 00:02:48,043 --> 00:02:49,579 and got to meet the right people. 65 00:02:49,612 --> 00:02:52,282 Investigators say they're having a tough time identifying 66 00:02:52,315 --> 00:02:54,043 the four people killed in a plane crash in Arizona today, 67 00:02:54,043 --> 00:02:54,818 the four people killed in a plane crash in Arizona today, 68 00:02:54,851 --> 00:02:57,754 because there isn't much left to ID. 69 00:02:57,787 --> 00:02:59,756 I've done thousands and thousands of stories. 70 00:02:59,789 --> 00:03:00,043 In Mississippi, a man says he's killed 71 00:03:00,043 --> 00:03:01,057 In Mississippi, a man says he's killed 72 00:03:01,090 --> 00:03:02,559 at least 60 other people 73 00:03:02,592 --> 00:03:05,028 and wants to be given the death penalty. 74 00:03:05,061 --> 00:03:06,043 I've won two Peabodys. 75 00:03:06,043 --> 00:03:06,830 I've won two Peabodys. 76 00:03:06,863 --> 00:03:08,932 [newsman] George Knapp has the story for us. 77 00:03:08,965 --> 00:03:10,233 Residents of the exclusive 78 00:03:10,266 --> 00:03:12,043 Siena Village Golf Course community 79 00:03:12,043 --> 00:03:12,068 Siena Village Golf Course community 80 00:03:12,101 --> 00:03:14,070 have got to be shaking their heads in disbelief 81 00:03:14,103 --> 00:03:17,073 right about now because of a prostitution ring 82 00:03:17,106 --> 00:03:18,043 that has allegedly been operating 83 00:03:18,043 --> 00:03:18,842 that has allegedly been operating 84 00:03:18,875 --> 00:03:20,277 right under their noses. 85 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:22,212 But I will always be the "UFO guy." 86 00:03:22,245 --> 00:03:23,413 In some cases, it does appear 87 00:03:23,446 --> 00:03:24,043 that various government officials 88 00:03:24,043 --> 00:03:25,248 that various government officials 89 00:03:25,281 --> 00:03:28,652 have withheld information about UFOs from the public. 90 00:03:28,685 --> 00:03:30,043 Wherever I go-- I'm in a grocery store, 91 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:30,720 Wherever I go-- I'm in a grocery store, 92 00:03:30,753 --> 00:03:32,956 I'm in a restaurant, I'm in a bar, 93 00:03:32,989 --> 00:03:34,491 I'm standing at a urinal-- 94 00:03:34,524 --> 00:03:36,043 people want to come up and talk to me about UFOs. 95 00:03:36,043 --> 00:03:36,425 people want to come up and talk to me about UFOs. 96 00:03:37,794 --> 00:03:39,829 These days, the locals use these old airstrips 97 00:03:39,862 --> 00:03:41,998 to race dragsters and the old hangars 98 00:03:42,031 --> 00:03:42,043 as an industrial park. 99 00:03:42,043 --> 00:03:43,900 as an industrial park. 100 00:03:43,933 --> 00:03:46,469 But 42 years ago, this is where it all began-- 101 00:03:46,502 --> 00:03:48,043 the birthplace of what some have called the "Cosmic Watergate." 102 00:03:48,043 --> 00:03:49,606 the birthplace of what some have called the "Cosmic Watergate." 103 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:51,308 [Greenewald] A key player 104 00:03:51,341 --> 00:03:53,310 in this entire story is a journalist by the name 105 00:03:53,343 --> 00:03:54,043 of George Knapp. 106 00:03:54,043 --> 00:03:54,944 of George Knapp. 107 00:03:54,977 --> 00:03:58,014 His name now is really connected to the AATIP story. 108 00:03:58,047 --> 00:03:59,949 We've been working on this story for a long time, 109 00:03:59,982 --> 00:04:00,043 and we'll tell you right up front 110 00:04:00,043 --> 00:04:01,718 and we'll tell you right up front 111 00:04:01,751 --> 00:04:04,054 that it's going to be hard to swallow at first. 112 00:04:04,087 --> 00:04:06,043 George has contributed immensely to the UFO field 113 00:04:06,043 --> 00:04:06,222 George has contributed immensely to the UFO field 114 00:04:06,255 --> 00:04:08,058 for quite a few years. 115 00:04:08,091 --> 00:04:10,994 That's because George is able to gain access 116 00:04:11,027 --> 00:04:12,043 to reports, sometimes official documents, 117 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:14,898 to reports, sometimes official documents, 118 00:04:14,931 --> 00:04:17,467 -and key players. -[Harry Reid] You know, George, 119 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:18,043 I'll have to look at this. 120 00:04:18,043 --> 00:04:18,768 I'll have to look at this. 121 00:04:18,801 --> 00:04:20,670 I have heard about this exact story. 122 00:04:20,703 --> 00:04:24,043 [Knapp] I will tell you this: 95% of it 123 00:04:24,043 --> 00:04:24,107 [Knapp] I will tell you this: 95% of it 124 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:25,175 is bullshit. 125 00:04:25,208 --> 00:04:26,343 But the other five percent 126 00:04:26,376 --> 00:04:27,477 is really interesting. 127 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:28,945 And if it's true, 128 00:04:28,978 --> 00:04:30,043 it would be the biggest story of all time. 129 00:04:30,043 --> 00:04:30,780 it would be the biggest story of all time. 130 00:04:30,813 --> 00:04:32,182 If it is true. 131 00:04:32,215 --> 00:04:34,150 If even a little bit of it is true, it's gigantic. 132 00:04:34,183 --> 00:04:36,043 The implications are enormous for everyone. 133 00:04:36,043 --> 00:04:36,853 The implications are enormous for everyone. 134 00:04:36,886 --> 00:04:39,155 [beeping] 135 00:04:39,188 --> 00:04:41,891 [Mike Wallace] The Air Force has said, time and time again, 136 00:04:41,924 --> 00:04:42,043 "All but a small percentage of these reports 137 00:04:42,043 --> 00:04:45,395 "All but a small percentage of these reports 138 00:04:45,428 --> 00:04:47,197 of unidentified flying objects 139 00:04:47,230 --> 00:04:48,043 have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena 140 00:04:48,043 --> 00:04:51,067 have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena 141 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:53,803 that are neither mysterious nor dire." 142 00:04:53,836 --> 00:04:54,043 End quotes. 143 00:04:54,043 --> 00:04:55,038 End quotes. 144 00:04:55,071 --> 00:04:57,006 That's the top Air Force intelligence men 145 00:04:57,039 --> 00:04:59,809 and scientists under contract sent the secret documents 146 00:04:59,842 --> 00:05:00,043 to the commanding general of the Air Force, 147 00:05:00,043 --> 00:05:01,745 to the commanding general of the Air Force, 148 00:05:01,778 --> 00:05:04,381 saying that whatever these things were, they were real. 149 00:05:04,414 --> 00:05:06,043 And they have been spending a lot of money 150 00:05:06,043 --> 00:05:06,116 And they have been spending a lot of money 151 00:05:06,149 --> 00:05:07,450 investigating flying saucers. 152 00:05:07,483 --> 00:05:09,786 If they don't exist... 153 00:05:09,819 --> 00:05:12,043 why the money, why do the intelligence teams rush out 154 00:05:12,043 --> 00:05:12,522 why the money, why do the intelligence teams rush out 155 00:05:12,555 --> 00:05:14,190 every time there's a sighting? 156 00:05:14,223 --> 00:05:16,993 There was a white, glowing object in the sky. 157 00:05:17,026 --> 00:05:18,043 It might have been a spaceship, it might not have been. 158 00:05:18,043 --> 00:05:19,562 It might have been a spaceship, it might not have been. 159 00:05:19,595 --> 00:05:22,399 I would say, since it did appear 160 00:05:22,432 --> 00:05:24,043 to approach us, it might have been. 161 00:05:24,043 --> 00:05:24,234 to approach us, it might have been. 162 00:05:24,267 --> 00:05:26,035 [man] It was the strangest thing that I've ever seen. 163 00:05:26,068 --> 00:05:28,238 By far, the strangest I've ever seen 164 00:05:28,271 --> 00:05:30,006 in a few years of reporting. 165 00:05:30,039 --> 00:05:30,043 [woman] I just saw the round front, 166 00:05:30,043 --> 00:05:31,708 [woman] I just saw the round front, 167 00:05:31,741 --> 00:05:33,309 and I could see the light on either side. 168 00:05:33,342 --> 00:05:35,912 And then the red light was sort of casting a glow 169 00:05:35,945 --> 00:05:36,043 over the whole thing, so it looked like... 170 00:05:36,043 --> 00:05:38,181 over the whole thing, so it looked like... 171 00:05:38,214 --> 00:05:39,549 a round disk. 172 00:05:39,582 --> 00:05:40,884 I wasn't afraid. 173 00:05:40,917 --> 00:05:42,043 I... I just wanted to stay there 174 00:05:42,043 --> 00:05:43,887 I... I just wanted to stay there 175 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,189 and keep my eyes glued to it; I couldn't leave. 176 00:05:46,222 --> 00:05:47,957 [woman 2] And then it seemed to just go together, 177 00:05:47,990 --> 00:05:48,043 make a ball 178 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:49,192 make a ball 179 00:05:49,225 --> 00:05:50,794 and fly out into that field, 180 00:05:50,827 --> 00:05:54,043 and it was a great big, huge, yellow glow out there. 181 00:05:54,043 --> 00:05:54,597 and it was a great big, huge, yellow glow out there. 182 00:05:54,630 --> 00:05:57,901 ♪ eerie, chiming music ♪ 183 00:05:57,934 --> 00:06:00,043 ♪ 184 00:06:00,043 --> 00:06:00,369 ♪ 185 00:06:01,337 --> 00:06:03,173 -[Knapp] Hi. -[waitress] Hi. 186 00:06:03,206 --> 00:06:05,074 -Would you like some coffee? -Some coffee? Coffee, please? 187 00:06:05,107 --> 00:06:06,043 Yeah. Thanks. 188 00:06:06,043 --> 00:06:06,575 Yeah. Thanks. 189 00:06:07,844 --> 00:06:09,746 I was a debate coach in the Bay Area, 190 00:06:09,779 --> 00:06:11,848 and I met these bartenders from Las Vegas, 191 00:06:11,881 --> 00:06:12,043 and they were the craziest people I'd ever met. 192 00:06:12,043 --> 00:06:14,117 and they were the craziest people I'd ever met. 193 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:16,352 ♪ upbeat, rhythmic music ♪ 194 00:06:16,385 --> 00:06:17,854 They told me, "You know, 195 00:06:17,887 --> 00:06:18,043 we know a guy in television in Las Vegas. 196 00:06:18,043 --> 00:06:19,722 we know a guy in television in Las Vegas. 197 00:06:19,755 --> 00:06:22,458 You should go there. You can break into television." 198 00:06:23,392 --> 00:06:24,043 That was 1979. 199 00:06:24,043 --> 00:06:24,727 That was 1979. 200 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,563 ♪ 201 00:06:29,465 --> 00:06:30,043 I drove a cab for a couple of months, 202 00:06:30,043 --> 00:06:31,601 I drove a cab for a couple of months, 203 00:06:31,634 --> 00:06:33,469 and I was terrible at it. 204 00:06:36,172 --> 00:06:37,874 [horn honks] 205 00:06:37,907 --> 00:06:39,709 All I knew was where the airport was, 206 00:06:39,742 --> 00:06:41,611 and I knew where the Strip was. 207 00:06:41,644 --> 00:06:42,043 I had no idea 208 00:06:42,043 --> 00:06:42,912 I had no idea 209 00:06:42,945 --> 00:06:44,647 about the Nevada nuclear test site. 210 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,684 Or the secret programs that were out there. 211 00:06:47,717 --> 00:06:48,043 I certainly had no idea 212 00:06:48,043 --> 00:06:49,352 I certainly had no idea 213 00:06:49,385 --> 00:06:50,820 there was a place called Area 51. 214 00:06:50,853 --> 00:06:53,656 [camera shutter clicking] 215 00:06:56,792 --> 00:06:59,095 I look at it, and I realize-- 216 00:06:59,128 --> 00:07:00,043 and I was cocky at the time-- what this field needs 217 00:07:00,043 --> 00:07:01,464 and I was cocky at the time-- what this field needs 218 00:07:01,497 --> 00:07:03,432 is a good investigative reporter. 219 00:07:05,668 --> 00:07:06,043 I'll have this wrapped up in, like, six months. 220 00:07:06,043 --> 00:07:07,737 I'll have this wrapped up in, like, six months. 221 00:07:07,770 --> 00:07:09,539 [newsman] Have UFOs been given a fair shake 222 00:07:09,572 --> 00:07:12,043 by science, journalism and the government? 223 00:07:12,043 --> 00:07:12,075 by science, journalism and the government? 224 00:07:12,108 --> 00:07:13,877 George Knapp joins us now with part one 225 00:07:13,910 --> 00:07:16,779 of the cover story series, "UFOs: The Best Evidence." 226 00:07:16,812 --> 00:07:18,043 I banged away at this story for decades. 227 00:07:18,043 --> 00:07:19,282 I banged away at this story for decades. 228 00:07:19,315 --> 00:07:22,185 There is now a staggering amount of information on this subject, 229 00:07:22,218 --> 00:07:24,043 collected not by crackpots 230 00:07:24,043 --> 00:07:24,120 collected not by crackpots 231 00:07:24,153 --> 00:07:26,990 but by respected, mainstream, level-headed people. 232 00:07:27,023 --> 00:07:29,158 We stopped at Edwards Air Force Base 233 00:07:29,191 --> 00:07:30,043 to record video for a future project. 234 00:07:30,043 --> 00:07:31,494 to record video for a future project. 235 00:07:31,527 --> 00:07:33,263 Edwards has a distinct relationship 236 00:07:33,296 --> 00:07:36,043 with its more mysterious cousin in Nevada, Area 51. 237 00:07:36,043 --> 00:07:37,967 with its more mysterious cousin in Nevada, Area 51. 238 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,203 And then, bam, The New York Times 239 00:07:40,236 --> 00:07:42,043 does this story-- it changed everything. 240 00:07:42,043 --> 00:07:42,939 does this story-- it changed everything. 241 00:07:42,972 --> 00:07:44,874 [newsman] A recent report by The New York Times 242 00:07:44,907 --> 00:07:48,043 unveiled the existence of a real-life X-Files department. 243 00:07:48,043 --> 00:07:48,311 unveiled the existence of a real-life X-Files department. 244 00:07:48,344 --> 00:07:51,047 The Pentagon tells us the program received 245 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,016 more than $20 million dollars for its work, which included 246 00:07:53,049 --> 00:07:54,043 analyzing reports from military pilots 247 00:07:54,043 --> 00:07:55,184 analyzing reports from military pilots 248 00:07:55,217 --> 00:07:56,920 of encounters with unknown objects 249 00:07:56,953 --> 00:08:00,043 that appear to defy the laws of physics. 250 00:08:00,043 --> 00:08:00,056 that appear to defy the laws of physics. 251 00:08:00,089 --> 00:08:02,358 [Knapp] A couple of weeks before the story came out, 252 00:08:02,391 --> 00:08:04,861 I had heard it was gonna happen, and, of course, by that point 253 00:08:04,894 --> 00:08:06,043 I'd been sitting on some of this information 254 00:08:06,043 --> 00:08:06,829 I'd been sitting on some of this information 255 00:08:06,862 --> 00:08:08,464 for a number of years. 256 00:08:08,497 --> 00:08:10,266 I go: Well, why can't I break this story? 257 00:08:10,299 --> 00:08:11,301 I've been sitting on this. 258 00:08:11,334 --> 00:08:12,043 I've been, you know, 259 00:08:12,043 --> 00:08:12,302 I've been, you know, 260 00:08:12,335 --> 00:08:13,503 I've kept my word. 261 00:08:13,536 --> 00:08:14,604 I want to do it. 262 00:08:14,637 --> 00:08:16,172 So I get a call from... 263 00:08:16,205 --> 00:08:17,506 Harry Reid. 264 00:08:18,841 --> 00:08:21,978 He gently sort of let me know, you know, 265 00:08:22,011 --> 00:08:23,880 "You're not The New York Times." 266 00:08:23,913 --> 00:08:24,043 [Greenewald] There is a secret UFO program 267 00:08:24,043 --> 00:08:25,748 [Greenewald] There is a secret UFO program 268 00:08:25,781 --> 00:08:28,217 inside the Department of Defense-- 269 00:08:28,250 --> 00:08:30,043 on the front page of The New York Times. 270 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:30,185 on the front page of The New York Times. 271 00:08:31,053 --> 00:08:33,690 [Knapp] The New York Times is not pro-UFO. 272 00:08:33,723 --> 00:08:35,058 This is not something 273 00:08:35,091 --> 00:08:36,043 they like to cover on a regular basis. 274 00:08:36,043 --> 00:08:37,359 they like to cover on a regular basis. 275 00:08:38,594 --> 00:08:42,043 If I do the story, it's just the UFO reporter doing the story. 276 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:42,265 If I do the story, it's just the UFO reporter doing the story. 277 00:08:42,298 --> 00:08:43,866 It would fall with a thud, 278 00:08:43,899 --> 00:08:46,235 and nobody would pay attention to it. 279 00:08:46,268 --> 00:08:47,570 So I backed off. 280 00:08:47,603 --> 00:08:48,043 "Yeah, go ahead." 281 00:08:48,043 --> 00:08:49,104 "Yeah, go ahead." 282 00:08:52,308 --> 00:08:54,043 We're still feeling 283 00:08:54,043 --> 00:08:54,077 We're still feeling 284 00:08:54,110 --> 00:08:55,078 the reverberations. 285 00:08:55,111 --> 00:08:56,346 There's now a report 286 00:08:56,379 --> 00:08:57,413 that will be issued by the... 287 00:08:57,446 --> 00:08:58,581 by the Pentagon, 288 00:08:58,614 --> 00:08:59,916 uh, by the Secretary of Defense 289 00:08:59,949 --> 00:09:00,043 and the Director of National Intelligence. 290 00:09:00,043 --> 00:09:01,851 and the Director of National Intelligence. 291 00:09:01,884 --> 00:09:03,853 I actually wanted to get this information out 292 00:09:03,886 --> 00:09:06,043 and declassify it before I left office, but... 293 00:09:06,043 --> 00:09:06,155 and declassify it before I left office, but... 294 00:09:06,188 --> 00:09:08,191 when that information becomes declassified, 295 00:09:08,224 --> 00:09:11,760 I'll be able to talk a little bit more about that. 296 00:09:14,597 --> 00:09:16,766 [Kean] The Department of Defense has been studying UFOs 297 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:18,043 since 2007-- that's what the story was. 298 00:09:18,043 --> 00:09:20,269 since 2007-- that's what the story was. 299 00:09:21,103 --> 00:09:23,673 The actual article was really based on things 300 00:09:23,706 --> 00:09:24,043 I'd learned from the director of the program and... 301 00:09:24,043 --> 00:09:27,410 I'd learned from the director of the program and... 302 00:09:27,443 --> 00:09:28,878 interviews that we did 303 00:09:28,911 --> 00:09:30,043 with other players involved with AATIP: 304 00:09:30,043 --> 00:09:30,647 with other players involved with AATIP: 305 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:34,217 the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 306 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:36,043 [Knapp] I'm aware that the organization 307 00:09:36,043 --> 00:09:36,386 [Knapp] I'm aware that the organization 308 00:09:36,419 --> 00:09:37,920 was up and running. 309 00:09:37,953 --> 00:09:39,656 I didn't know what the program was called. 310 00:09:39,689 --> 00:09:41,658 I had never heard the name AATIP, 311 00:09:41,691 --> 00:09:42,043 and I didn't know who Lue Elizondo was. 312 00:09:42,043 --> 00:09:43,292 and I didn't know who Lue Elizondo was. 313 00:09:43,325 --> 00:09:45,094 I knew there was somebody who was working on this stuff. 314 00:09:45,127 --> 00:09:47,830 [Greenewald] Mr. Luis Elizondo 315 00:09:47,863 --> 00:09:48,043 talked about running a program that dealt with 316 00:09:48,043 --> 00:09:51,067 talked about running a program that dealt with 317 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:53,569 unidentified aerial phenomena, or UFOs. 318 00:09:53,602 --> 00:09:54,043 The Pentagon was interested in it, 319 00:09:54,043 --> 00:09:55,471 The Pentagon was interested in it, 320 00:09:55,504 --> 00:09:58,574 they were investigating it, and he was the guy that led it. 321 00:09:58,607 --> 00:10:00,043 According to Mr. Luis Elizondo, AAITIP looked at videos. 322 00:10:00,043 --> 00:10:03,446 According to Mr. Luis Elizondo, AAITIP looked at videos. 323 00:10:03,479 --> 00:10:06,043 When a military pilot saw something 324 00:10:06,043 --> 00:10:06,482 When a military pilot saw something 325 00:10:06,515 --> 00:10:09,619 that he couldn't explain, AAITIP was gonna come aboard 326 00:10:09,652 --> 00:10:10,887 and try and figure it out. 327 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,043 [Keen] It was originally instigated 328 00:10:12,043 --> 00:10:13,990 [Keen] It was originally instigated 329 00:10:14,023 --> 00:10:17,326 by the Defense Intelligence Agency, 330 00:10:17,359 --> 00:10:18,043 and Harry Reid, the senator from Nevada, 331 00:10:18,043 --> 00:10:19,962 and Harry Reid, the senator from Nevada, 332 00:10:19,995 --> 00:10:22,598 was very instrumental in setting it up. 333 00:10:25,101 --> 00:10:27,102 [man] You guys ready? 334 00:10:28,003 --> 00:10:30,043 Yes, we're rolling. 335 00:10:30,043 --> 00:10:30,139 Yes, we're rolling. 336 00:10:30,172 --> 00:10:32,375 [Reid] When I was asked by a reporter 337 00:10:32,408 --> 00:10:33,910 from The New York Times, 338 00:10:33,943 --> 00:10:35,878 I said: I'm happy to do an interview with you, 339 00:10:35,911 --> 00:10:36,043 but I want some ground rules. 340 00:10:36,043 --> 00:10:37,513 but I want some ground rules. 341 00:10:37,546 --> 00:10:39,949 We're not gonna be talking about little green men. 342 00:10:39,982 --> 00:10:42,043 I will only talk about scientific issues. 343 00:10:42,043 --> 00:10:44,020 I will only talk about scientific issues. 344 00:10:44,053 --> 00:10:46,055 And I recognize that... 345 00:10:46,088 --> 00:10:48,043 what I got started here was kind of taking a chance. 346 00:10:48,043 --> 00:10:49,759 what I got started here was kind of taking a chance. 347 00:10:49,792 --> 00:10:52,195 But I think it's paid off. 348 00:10:52,228 --> 00:10:54,043 [Hayes] The remarkable admission by the Pentagon 349 00:10:54,043 --> 00:10:54,564 [Hayes] The remarkable admission by the Pentagon 350 00:10:54,597 --> 00:10:57,800 came as a result of reporting by The New York Times, 351 00:10:57,833 --> 00:10:59,936 pretty august publication. 352 00:10:59,969 --> 00:11:00,043 [Knapp] This is not birds. 353 00:11:00,043 --> 00:11:01,704 [Knapp] This is not birds. 354 00:11:01,737 --> 00:11:03,639 It's not somebody else's plane. 355 00:11:03,672 --> 00:11:06,043 It's picked up on radar. It's real. 356 00:11:06,043 --> 00:11:06,342 It's picked up on radar. It's real. 357 00:11:06,375 --> 00:11:08,010 Can you imagine 358 00:11:08,043 --> 00:11:09,579 the steps they had to go through to sell that story 359 00:11:09,612 --> 00:11:12,043 to the editors about UFOs? 360 00:11:12,043 --> 00:11:12,915 to the editors about UFOs? 361 00:11:17,486 --> 00:11:18,043 Tough sell. 362 00:11:18,043 --> 00:11:18,554 Tough sell. 363 00:11:19,789 --> 00:11:22,458 [Kean] I don't think most people realize what's involved 364 00:11:22,491 --> 00:11:24,043 in putting together a story like this. 365 00:11:24,043 --> 00:11:24,727 in putting together a story like this. 366 00:11:25,628 --> 00:11:28,197 [Greenewald] This was one of the most exciting things 367 00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:30,043 that had come out in a long time. 368 00:11:30,043 --> 00:11:30,899 that had come out in a long time. 369 00:11:32,067 --> 00:11:34,070 The entire basis of all of my research 370 00:11:34,103 --> 00:11:35,371 up until that point 371 00:11:35,404 --> 00:11:36,043 was proving that the U.S military 372 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:38,074 was proving that the U.S military 373 00:11:38,107 --> 00:11:40,209 did have an interest in UFOs. 374 00:11:40,242 --> 00:11:42,043 And this man, 375 00:11:42,043 --> 00:11:42,378 And this man, 376 00:11:42,411 --> 00:11:44,180 and what he did, was that smoking gun. 377 00:11:44,213 --> 00:11:46,749 [Luis Elizondo] For nearly the last decade, 378 00:11:46,782 --> 00:11:48,043 I ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program 379 00:11:48,043 --> 00:11:50,853 I ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program 380 00:11:50,886 --> 00:11:53,689 focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. 381 00:11:53,722 --> 00:11:54,043 It was in this position I learned 382 00:11:54,043 --> 00:11:56,959 It was in this position I learned 383 00:11:56,992 --> 00:11:59,629 that the phenomena... 384 00:11:59,662 --> 00:12:00,043 is, indeed, real. 385 00:12:00,043 --> 00:12:01,731 is, indeed, real. 386 00:12:01,764 --> 00:12:03,266 I was shown three videos 387 00:12:03,299 --> 00:12:06,035 that had come from the Department of Defense 388 00:12:06,068 --> 00:12:09,572 and also the documents that showed 389 00:12:09,605 --> 00:12:11,807 that the videos were legitimate. 390 00:12:13,008 --> 00:12:14,610 [Knapp] I've never said this before in public, 391 00:12:14,643 --> 00:12:16,112 but this report, 392 00:12:16,145 --> 00:12:17,747 the executive summary of the Tic Tac incident, 393 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:18,043 started at the Navy. 394 00:12:18,043 --> 00:12:19,281 started at the Navy. 395 00:12:20,516 --> 00:12:22,151 There was an initial investigation 396 00:12:22,184 --> 00:12:24,043 after the incident itself back in 2004. 397 00:12:24,043 --> 00:12:26,022 after the incident itself back in 2004. 398 00:12:26,055 --> 00:12:28,991 The commander of that carrier strike force, 399 00:12:29,024 --> 00:12:30,043 that carrier group, didn't want to delay 400 00:12:30,043 --> 00:12:31,661 that carrier group, didn't want to delay 401 00:12:31,694 --> 00:12:34,630 going to the Persian Gulf, so whatever information 402 00:12:34,663 --> 00:12:36,043 was gathered back then got tossed into a drawer 403 00:12:36,043 --> 00:12:36,999 was gathered back then got tossed into a drawer 404 00:12:37,032 --> 00:12:38,935 and closed, and it was gonna be forgotten. 405 00:12:38,968 --> 00:12:42,043 And then a couple years later, some people in the Navy 406 00:12:42,043 --> 00:12:42,104 And then a couple years later, some people in the Navy 407 00:12:42,137 --> 00:12:43,338 renewed the investigation. 408 00:12:46,141 --> 00:12:48,043 It bounced around 409 00:12:48,043 --> 00:12:48,377 It bounced around 410 00:12:48,410 --> 00:12:50,680 inside the Pentagon and the intelligence community 411 00:12:50,713 --> 00:12:53,349 and then ended up at AATIP. 412 00:12:53,382 --> 00:12:54,043 ♪ tense, dramatic music ♪ 413 00:12:54,043 --> 00:12:55,351 ♪ tense, dramatic music ♪ 414 00:12:55,384 --> 00:12:57,886 ♪ 415 00:13:12,134 --> 00:13:13,769 [Day] I've been gravely concerned 416 00:13:13,802 --> 00:13:15,538 about what happened for... 417 00:13:15,571 --> 00:13:18,043 I guess 15 years ago this week, 2004. 418 00:13:18,043 --> 00:13:18,841 I guess 15 years ago this week, 2004. 419 00:13:18,874 --> 00:13:21,210 And when it first happened, I was 420 00:13:21,243 --> 00:13:22,478 trying to tell people, you know? 421 00:13:22,511 --> 00:13:24,043 My chain of command and, uh, others. 422 00:13:24,043 --> 00:13:24,247 My chain of command and, uh, others. 423 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,849 But no one seemed to really believe me, 424 00:13:26,882 --> 00:13:28,484 and it really, really bugged me. 425 00:13:28,517 --> 00:13:30,043 And it started manifesting in nightmares. 426 00:13:30,043 --> 00:13:32,488 And it started manifesting in nightmares. 427 00:13:32,521 --> 00:13:35,224 [clears throat] I didn't know what the hell to do, you know? 428 00:13:38,027 --> 00:13:40,929 I wasn't really prepared for that day. 429 00:13:45,267 --> 00:13:47,570 Our command on USS Princeton. 430 00:13:47,603 --> 00:13:48,043 We were the air defense commander 431 00:13:48,043 --> 00:13:48,938 We were the air defense commander 432 00:13:48,971 --> 00:13:50,539 for the Nimitz strike group. 433 00:13:50,572 --> 00:13:52,275 Anything that flies, 434 00:13:52,308 --> 00:13:54,043 as soon as I gain it on radar, I'm actively trying 435 00:13:54,043 --> 00:13:54,677 as soon as I gain it on radar, I'm actively trying 436 00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:57,213 to figure out what it is. Is it high and fast? 437 00:13:57,246 --> 00:14:00,043 Is it low and slow? Is it on a commercial air route? 438 00:14:00,043 --> 00:14:00,416 Is it low and slow? Is it on a commercial air route? 439 00:14:00,449 --> 00:14:02,018 We put all these little pieces of the puzzle together 440 00:14:02,051 --> 00:14:03,552 to come up with an identification. 441 00:14:04,687 --> 00:14:06,043 In, uh, 2004, we were off the coast of California 442 00:14:06,043 --> 00:14:08,357 In, uh, 2004, we were off the coast of California 443 00:14:08,390 --> 00:14:11,093 doing a standard training cycle, 444 00:14:11,126 --> 00:14:12,043 and I noticed these really strange tracks 445 00:14:12,043 --> 00:14:13,029 and I noticed these really strange tracks 446 00:14:13,062 --> 00:14:14,997 off the coast of Catalina. 447 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:16,499 Those things were up at 28,000 feet. 448 00:14:16,532 --> 00:14:18,043 They were kind of in a loose group, 449 00:14:18,043 --> 00:14:18,534 They were kind of in a loose group, 450 00:14:18,567 --> 00:14:20,736 and they were all tracking down 100 knots, 451 00:14:20,769 --> 00:14:24,043 28,000 feet towards the south really, really slow. 452 00:14:24,043 --> 00:14:24,073 28,000 feet towards the south really, really slow. 453 00:14:24,106 --> 00:14:25,942 Usually, something that high going that slow 454 00:14:25,975 --> 00:14:27,542 is gonna fall out of the sky. 455 00:14:28,744 --> 00:14:30,043 You can't create enough lift to stay airborne, 456 00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:31,414 You can't create enough lift to stay airborne, 457 00:14:31,447 --> 00:14:34,650 so I-I knew they were something anomalous. 458 00:14:35,684 --> 00:14:36,043 I was up in the CIC, in combat information center, 459 00:14:36,043 --> 00:14:38,087 I was up in the CIC, in combat information center, 460 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,156 and I was scanning a position on watch 461 00:14:40,189 --> 00:14:42,043 called antiair warfare coordinator, 462 00:14:42,043 --> 00:14:42,892 called antiair warfare coordinator, 463 00:14:42,925 --> 00:14:45,428 AAWC. 464 00:14:45,461 --> 00:14:47,964 And that position is the-the guy that actually presses the button 465 00:14:47,997 --> 00:14:48,043 to shoot a missile if you have to. 466 00:14:48,043 --> 00:14:49,498 to shoot a missile if you have to. 467 00:14:50,332 --> 00:14:53,069 You know what, all of our systems are automated, 468 00:14:53,102 --> 00:14:54,043 but they're not automatic, 469 00:14:54,043 --> 00:14:54,737 but they're not automatic, 470 00:14:54,770 --> 00:14:56,272 so it's a person like myself 471 00:14:56,305 --> 00:14:57,907 that has to take all the pieces of information 472 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:59,675 and actually use my brain 473 00:14:59,708 --> 00:15:00,043 and tell everyone else what the identification is. 474 00:15:00,043 --> 00:15:02,277 and tell everyone else what the identification is. 475 00:15:03,479 --> 00:15:06,043 Man, I'm telling you, it's probably the only air contacts 476 00:15:06,043 --> 00:15:06,716 Man, I'm telling you, it's probably the only air contacts 477 00:15:06,749 --> 00:15:09,919 that I've ever detected and tracked on SPY radar 478 00:15:09,952 --> 00:15:12,043 that I was never able to identify. 479 00:15:12,043 --> 00:15:13,222 that I was never able to identify. 480 00:15:13,255 --> 00:15:15,725 And I still want to make that identification. 481 00:15:15,758 --> 00:15:17,993 That's why I'm here today. 482 00:15:22,498 --> 00:15:24,043 [elevator whirring] 483 00:15:24,043 --> 00:15:24,533 [elevator whirring] 484 00:15:34,676 --> 00:15:36,043 I think it's difficult for some of the guys, 485 00:15:36,043 --> 00:15:36,379 I think it's difficult for some of the guys, 486 00:15:36,412 --> 00:15:38,981 but I've never had a problem talking about it. 487 00:15:39,014 --> 00:15:40,248 I can only tell you what I know. 488 00:15:46,588 --> 00:15:48,043 Ironically, I didn't even see any of that. 489 00:15:48,043 --> 00:15:49,859 Ironically, I didn't even see any of that. 490 00:15:49,892 --> 00:15:51,827 I didn't see The New York Times. 491 00:15:51,860 --> 00:15:53,329 I didn't know anything about it. 492 00:15:53,362 --> 00:15:54,043 And then out of the blue, I get a message 493 00:15:54,043 --> 00:15:55,564 And then out of the blue, I get a message 494 00:15:55,597 --> 00:15:58,000 from Kevin 495 00:15:58,033 --> 00:16:00,043 telling me that one of our shipmates 496 00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:00,669 telling me that one of our shipmates 497 00:16:00,702 --> 00:16:02,972 has come out to talk about the event. 498 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:05,741 He-he didn't even have to say what event. I already knew. 499 00:16:05,774 --> 00:16:06,043 Like, the event event? 500 00:16:06,043 --> 00:16:08,477 Like, the event event? 501 00:16:09,511 --> 00:16:11,646 I kind of went numb, like... 502 00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:15,484 People are actually gonna believe us now. 503 00:16:17,820 --> 00:16:18,043 I was on the USS Princeton CG-59. 504 00:16:18,043 --> 00:16:22,158 I was on the USS Princeton CG-59. 505 00:16:22,191 --> 00:16:23,658 It's a guided missile cruiser. 506 00:16:24,726 --> 00:16:27,463 I was a computer technician, so I handled all the mainframes, 507 00:16:27,496 --> 00:16:28,964 data recording. 508 00:16:28,997 --> 00:16:30,043 All the systems run 509 00:16:30,043 --> 00:16:30,833 All the systems run 510 00:16:30,866 --> 00:16:32,167 off of my system. 511 00:16:33,035 --> 00:16:35,037 We were seeing flying objects, 512 00:16:35,070 --> 00:16:36,043 uh, that we were tracking on the radar, 513 00:16:36,043 --> 00:16:37,339 uh, that we were tracking on the radar, 514 00:16:37,372 --> 00:16:39,208 which is why we call them "tracks." 515 00:16:39,241 --> 00:16:41,544 And they were... 516 00:16:41,577 --> 00:16:42,043 They were just flying due south at 100 knots, 517 00:16:42,043 --> 00:16:44,914 They were just flying due south at 100 knots, 518 00:16:44,947 --> 00:16:46,949 on and off for seven days. 519 00:16:46,982 --> 00:16:48,043 They'd just appear, disappear. 520 00:16:48,043 --> 00:16:49,718 They'd just appear, disappear. 521 00:16:50,652 --> 00:16:52,788 After the third day, I got an idea 522 00:16:52,821 --> 00:16:54,043 that it might be close enough to just barely see it 523 00:16:54,043 --> 00:16:55,024 that it might be close enough to just barely see it 524 00:16:55,057 --> 00:16:57,893 through these big, huge binoculars 525 00:16:57,926 --> 00:17:00,043 attached to the side of the ship. They're called Big Eyes. 526 00:17:00,043 --> 00:17:00,495 attached to the side of the ship. They're called Big Eyes. 527 00:17:01,697 --> 00:17:04,400 It was basically just a dot on the horizon 528 00:17:04,433 --> 00:17:06,043 at the right bearing and the right altitude. 529 00:17:06,043 --> 00:17:06,335 at the right bearing and the right altitude. 530 00:17:06,368 --> 00:17:08,170 And I was just waiting to see if it moved 531 00:17:08,203 --> 00:17:09,738 or did anything, and sure enough, it did. 532 00:17:09,771 --> 00:17:12,043 At a certain point, it moved over to the side, 533 00:17:12,043 --> 00:17:12,174 At a certain point, it moved over to the side, 534 00:17:12,207 --> 00:17:14,176 and then just gone. 535 00:17:15,077 --> 00:17:17,012 [Day] I became concerned. 536 00:17:17,045 --> 00:17:18,043 So, Cap comes down to combat. I say, "Hey, sir, 537 00:17:18,043 --> 00:17:19,381 So, Cap comes down to combat. I say, "Hey, sir, 538 00:17:19,414 --> 00:17:20,382 you know, we've been tracking these things 539 00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:22,885 for a few days now, 540 00:17:22,918 --> 00:17:24,043 and I strongly recommend that we get an aircraft 541 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:24,787 and I strongly recommend that we get an aircraft 542 00:17:24,820 --> 00:17:26,421 to launch and intercept it." 543 00:17:27,222 --> 00:17:29,258 [clears throat] 544 00:17:29,291 --> 00:17:30,043 And none of us were prepared for what happened 545 00:17:30,043 --> 00:17:32,061 And none of us were prepared for what happened 546 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:35,163 when that.... when that happened. 547 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:06,043 [Ralph Blumenthal] This was not the usual New York Times story. 548 00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:08,063 [Ralph Blumenthal] This was not the usual New York Times story. 549 00:18:10,299 --> 00:18:12,043 All along, the UFO debate 550 00:18:12,043 --> 00:18:12,067 All along, the UFO debate 551 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:15,371 has been whether these things are real or not real. 552 00:18:15,404 --> 00:18:17,773 In other words, are they a figment of the imagination? 553 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:18,043 Are they some psychological phenomenon 554 00:18:18,043 --> 00:18:20,242 Are they some psychological phenomenon 555 00:18:20,275 --> 00:18:21,776 that has no physical reality? 556 00:18:22,678 --> 00:18:24,043 And what was most interesting in the reporting 557 00:18:24,043 --> 00:18:25,481 And what was most interesting in the reporting 558 00:18:25,514 --> 00:18:28,584 that Leslie and I and Helene did for The New York Times 559 00:18:28,617 --> 00:18:30,043 was that the most highly trained observers 560 00:18:30,043 --> 00:18:31,453 was that the most highly trained observers 561 00:18:31,486 --> 00:18:33,255 that exist, Navy pilots... 562 00:18:33,288 --> 00:18:35,424 The government spends millions of dollars training them. 563 00:18:35,457 --> 00:18:36,043 [chuckles] They are not mentally deficient. 564 00:18:36,043 --> 00:18:36,926 [chuckles] They are not mentally deficient. 565 00:18:36,959 --> 00:18:39,695 They're tested for psychological aberrations. 566 00:18:39,728 --> 00:18:42,043 These people are trusted with the most powerful weapons 567 00:18:42,043 --> 00:18:42,097 These people are trusted with the most powerful weapons 568 00:18:42,130 --> 00:18:43,798 in our arsenal. 569 00:18:45,367 --> 00:18:46,535 They've seen them with their eyes. 570 00:18:46,568 --> 00:18:48,043 [David Fravor] Both airplanes see 571 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:48,103 [David Fravor] Both airplanes see 572 00:18:48,136 --> 00:18:49,772 a disturbance in the water 573 00:18:49,805 --> 00:18:53,375 and a white, 40-foot-long Tic Tac-shaped object. 574 00:18:53,408 --> 00:18:54,043 The controller starts talking to us. He says, 575 00:18:54,043 --> 00:18:55,344 The controller starts talking to us. He says, 576 00:18:55,377 --> 00:18:57,880 "Hey, sir. We've seen these objects. 577 00:18:57,913 --> 00:19:00,043 We need you to go investigate. We want to know what these are." 578 00:19:00,043 --> 00:19:00,415 We need you to go investigate. We want to know what these are." 579 00:19:01,216 --> 00:19:03,285 They got to a point where they say, 580 00:19:03,318 --> 00:19:06,043 "Hey, merge plot." 581 00:19:06,043 --> 00:19:06,422 "Hey, merge plot." 582 00:19:06,455 --> 00:19:09,158 [Day] He gets into the merge plot position, 583 00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:10,759 which is basically two objects 584 00:19:10,792 --> 00:19:12,043 in the same vertical piece of sky. 585 00:19:12,043 --> 00:19:12,695 in the same vertical piece of sky. 586 00:19:12,728 --> 00:19:15,697 A two-dimensional display now looks like one object. 587 00:19:16,565 --> 00:19:17,866 [Fravor] As we're looking around, 588 00:19:17,899 --> 00:19:18,043 we look to the right, 589 00:19:18,043 --> 00:19:19,768 we look to the right, 590 00:19:19,801 --> 00:19:21,870 and we see white water. 591 00:19:21,903 --> 00:19:24,043 What we see is this white Tic-Tac-looking object 592 00:19:24,043 --> 00:19:25,441 What we see is this white Tic-Tac-looking object 593 00:19:25,474 --> 00:19:27,843 just above the surface of the water 594 00:19:27,876 --> 00:19:29,411 pointing north-south, 595 00:19:29,444 --> 00:19:30,043 and it's going north, south, east, west. 596 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:31,247 and it's going north, south, east, west. 597 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,581 It's just erratically moving 598 00:19:32,614 --> 00:19:34,717 forward, back, left, right, at will. 599 00:19:34,750 --> 00:19:36,043 I go, "Dude, do you see that? What is that thing?" 600 00:19:36,043 --> 00:19:37,553 I go, "Dude, do you see that? What is that thing?" 601 00:19:37,586 --> 00:19:39,488 We're looking down at this thing, 602 00:19:39,521 --> 00:19:40,990 and I said, "I'm gonna go check it out." 603 00:19:41,023 --> 00:19:42,043 So I start driving around, 604 00:19:42,043 --> 00:19:43,492 So I start driving around, 605 00:19:43,525 --> 00:19:45,427 just in a nice, easy descent. 606 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:48,030 As I'm coming down, 607 00:19:48,063 --> 00:19:51,066 the Tic Tac starts coming up. 608 00:19:51,967 --> 00:19:54,043 I'm like, "Well, this is getting interesting." 609 00:19:54,043 --> 00:19:54,103 I'm like, "Well, this is getting interesting." 610 00:19:54,136 --> 00:19:56,372 [Day] All of a sudden, we hear on the radio, "Oh, my God! 611 00:19:56,405 --> 00:19:58,773 Oh, my God! I'm engaged! I'm engaged!" 612 00:19:59,608 --> 00:20:00,043 And whatever that object was, 613 00:20:00,043 --> 00:20:01,176 And whatever that object was, 614 00:20:01,209 --> 00:20:03,145 the thing seemed to recognize him, 615 00:20:03,178 --> 00:20:06,043 and it actually got in a dogfight with him. 616 00:20:06,043 --> 00:20:06,948 and it actually got in a dogfight with him. 617 00:20:09,351 --> 00:20:11,487 [Voorhis] The target started moving left and right 618 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:12,043 at very jagged angles, 619 00:20:12,043 --> 00:20:13,255 at very jagged angles, 620 00:20:13,288 --> 00:20:14,790 and then it would disappear 621 00:20:14,823 --> 00:20:17,092 off the screen, come back onto the screen. 622 00:20:17,926 --> 00:20:18,043 [Fravor] It's kind of starting to cross my nose, 623 00:20:18,043 --> 00:20:20,462 [Fravor] It's kind of starting to cross my nose, 624 00:20:20,495 --> 00:20:21,630 and it starts to accelerate. 625 00:20:21,663 --> 00:20:23,832 And within less than a second, 626 00:20:23,865 --> 00:20:24,043 it crosses right in front of me. Just goes "poof," and it's gone. 627 00:20:24,043 --> 00:20:26,801 it crosses right in front of me. Just goes "poof," and it's gone. 628 00:20:29,938 --> 00:20:30,043 [Day] I can tell you the reaction on the ship 629 00:20:30,043 --> 00:20:31,573 [Day] I can tell you the reaction on the ship 630 00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:33,342 was total befuddlement. 631 00:20:33,375 --> 00:20:34,743 Total be... 632 00:20:34,776 --> 00:20:36,043 But we didn't know what to think. 633 00:20:36,043 --> 00:20:36,612 But we didn't know what to think. 634 00:20:36,645 --> 00:20:38,514 What flies like that? Nothing I'd ever seen. 635 00:20:38,547 --> 00:20:40,649 Not even close. 636 00:20:43,485 --> 00:20:46,789 After that happened, I was... My mind changed a little bit. 637 00:20:46,822 --> 00:20:48,043 I decided, "Yeah, these are probably... 638 00:20:48,043 --> 00:20:49,892 I decided, "Yeah, these are probably... 639 00:20:49,925 --> 00:20:52,328 UFOs that I'd always heard about." 640 00:20:52,361 --> 00:20:54,043 Uni-Unidentified flying objects. 641 00:20:54,043 --> 00:20:55,164 Uni-Unidentified flying objects. 642 00:20:55,197 --> 00:20:57,366 ♪ slow, intriguing music ♪ 643 00:20:57,399 --> 00:21:00,043 I went up to a machine that's called the RD-390, 644 00:21:00,043 --> 00:21:00,135 I went up to a machine that's called the RD-390, 645 00:21:00,168 --> 00:21:02,304 and it records all of our external communications 646 00:21:02,337 --> 00:21:04,406 onto an optical disk. 647 00:21:04,439 --> 00:21:06,043 Just in case something like this happens, 648 00:21:06,043 --> 00:21:07,076 Just in case something like this happens, 649 00:21:07,109 --> 00:21:08,844 an investigator can go back, 650 00:21:08,877 --> 00:21:11,379 play it back and figure out what the hell happened, right? 651 00:21:14,349 --> 00:21:16,551 Well, I went back up to combat. 652 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:21,323 And all the comms were gone. 653 00:21:21,356 --> 00:21:23,459 And I could tell by looking at the lead technician-- 654 00:21:23,492 --> 00:21:24,043 I'm not gonna say what his name is, 655 00:21:24,043 --> 00:21:24,727 I'm not gonna say what his name is, 656 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,895 'cause I'm hoping he'll still come out-- 657 00:21:26,928 --> 00:21:29,565 I could tell by looking at him that he knew what had happened, 658 00:21:29,598 --> 00:21:30,043 but he couldn't tell me. 659 00:21:30,043 --> 00:21:30,865 but he couldn't tell me. 660 00:21:32,334 --> 00:21:34,370 The whole thing kind of got swept 661 00:21:34,403 --> 00:21:36,043 under the carpet pretty quickly 662 00:21:36,043 --> 00:21:36,372 under the carpet pretty quickly 663 00:21:36,405 --> 00:21:38,640 by the strike group commander 664 00:21:38,673 --> 00:21:40,709 and even by my own captain, 665 00:21:40,742 --> 00:21:42,043 which kind of pissed me off, actually. 666 00:21:42,043 --> 00:21:43,445 which kind of pissed me off, actually. 667 00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:50,952 We were completely defenseless against these things. 668 00:21:51,787 --> 00:21:53,856 [Voorhis] All that data gets reported 669 00:21:53,889 --> 00:21:54,043 down in our computer room 670 00:21:54,043 --> 00:21:55,290 down in our computer room 671 00:21:55,323 --> 00:21:56,591 on optical disks. 672 00:21:57,392 --> 00:21:59,561 Helicopter landed. 673 00:21:59,594 --> 00:22:00,043 Two people got out. 674 00:22:00,043 --> 00:22:01,463 Two people got out. 675 00:22:01,496 --> 00:22:02,664 Then, 20 minutes later, I was asked 676 00:22:02,697 --> 00:22:04,566 to get all the tapes. 677 00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:06,043 Get them all. Everything in the computer room 678 00:22:06,043 --> 00:22:06,802 Get them all. Everything in the computer room 679 00:22:06,835 --> 00:22:08,704 that would have had anything on it. 680 00:22:08,737 --> 00:22:11,673 And so I had to bring all the tapes down there, 681 00:22:11,706 --> 00:22:12,043 and those guys were in there. 682 00:22:12,043 --> 00:22:12,841 and those guys were in there. 683 00:22:12,874 --> 00:22:14,543 ♪ dramatic, intriguing music ♪ 684 00:22:14,576 --> 00:22:16,178 They had civilian clothes. 685 00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:17,413 You know, no men in black 686 00:22:17,446 --> 00:22:18,043 or any weird things like that, 687 00:22:18,043 --> 00:22:18,947 or any weird things like that, 688 00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:20,883 but nondescript civilian clothes that... 689 00:22:20,916 --> 00:22:22,951 Just like me and you are wearing now. 690 00:22:23,785 --> 00:22:24,043 All of those disks were taken. 691 00:22:24,043 --> 00:22:26,121 All of those disks were taken. 692 00:22:26,154 --> 00:22:27,923 Uh, that was given to my chain of command 693 00:22:27,956 --> 00:22:30,043 and then given to somebody that brought them offship. 694 00:22:30,043 --> 00:22:30,825 and then given to somebody that brought them offship. 695 00:22:33,161 --> 00:22:34,963 [Knapp] This is all supposed to keep secret. 696 00:22:34,996 --> 00:22:36,043 None of this material was being made public. 697 00:22:36,043 --> 00:22:37,599 None of this material was being made public. 698 00:22:37,632 --> 00:22:39,601 The problem that's been 699 00:22:39,634 --> 00:22:41,470 since the beginning is, "This is my information, 700 00:22:41,503 --> 00:22:42,043 and you can't have it." 701 00:22:42,043 --> 00:22:43,038 and you can't have it." 702 00:22:43,071 --> 00:22:45,641 And the people who have it consider it to be theirs 703 00:22:45,674 --> 00:22:47,075 and don't want to share. 704 00:22:47,108 --> 00:22:48,043 Not with the Air Force, not with the Navy, 705 00:22:48,043 --> 00:22:48,911 Not with the Air Force, not with the Navy, 706 00:22:48,944 --> 00:22:50,913 not with the CIA. It's theirs. 707 00:22:50,946 --> 00:22:53,749 And, uh, it's sort of for the purpose 708 00:22:53,782 --> 00:22:54,043 of plausible deniability. 709 00:22:54,043 --> 00:22:55,617 of plausible deniability. 710 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,043 If they didn't want it out, they wouldn't have released it. 711 00:23:00,043 --> 00:23:01,256 If they didn't want it out, they wouldn't have released it. 712 00:23:01,289 --> 00:23:03,692 It took a number of years, 713 00:23:03,725 --> 00:23:06,043 but somebody in the Navy made it possible. 714 00:23:06,043 --> 00:23:07,095 but somebody in the Navy made it possible. 715 00:23:08,296 --> 00:23:11,567 [Blumenthal] Well, after the December 2017 story, 716 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,043 which was a bombshell, 717 00:23:12,043 --> 00:23:13,368 which was a bombshell, 718 00:23:13,401 --> 00:23:14,836 we continued working on it. 719 00:23:16,638 --> 00:23:18,043 Took us a year and a half 720 00:23:18,043 --> 00:23:19,107 Took us a year and a half 721 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:21,577 to come up with a-a good follow-up. 722 00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:23,412 And the other story we came up with 723 00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:24,043 was that in 2015, 724 00:23:24,043 --> 00:23:25,180 was that in 2015, 725 00:23:25,213 --> 00:23:28,484 the Roosevelt had encounters between Navy pilots 726 00:23:28,517 --> 00:23:30,043 and UFOs, which, incidentally, Helene, our other partner, 727 00:23:30,043 --> 00:23:32,321 and UFOs, which, incidentally, Helene, our other partner, 728 00:23:32,354 --> 00:23:35,157 she was actually embedded on the Theodore Roosevelt 729 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:36,043 for a story on its mission in the Gulf. 730 00:23:36,043 --> 00:23:38,993 for a story on its mission in the Gulf. 731 00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:45,066 [Kean] The incidences at the Roosevelt... 732 00:23:45,901 --> 00:23:47,436 There were lots of sightings 733 00:23:47,469 --> 00:23:48,043 of these very strange kind of smallish objects 734 00:23:48,043 --> 00:23:50,772 of these very strange kind of smallish objects 735 00:23:50,805 --> 00:23:52,608 of different types, 736 00:23:52,641 --> 00:23:54,043 and a lot of them were picked up on radar. 737 00:23:54,043 --> 00:23:55,844 and a lot of them were picked up on radar. 738 00:24:06,288 --> 00:24:07,990 They were different. They weren't, like, 739 00:24:08,023 --> 00:24:09,992 these Tic Tacs that were buzzing around. 740 00:24:10,025 --> 00:24:12,043 But they could pick them up just for long periods of time. 741 00:24:12,043 --> 00:24:13,828 But they could pick them up just for long periods of time. 742 00:24:18,033 --> 00:24:18,043 [pilot] Well, if there's-- 743 00:24:18,043 --> 00:24:20,068 [pilot] Well, if there's-- 744 00:24:24,372 --> 00:24:25,674 [Kean] We had 745 00:24:25,707 --> 00:24:27,509 two pilots that went on the record. 746 00:24:27,542 --> 00:24:29,811 We spoke to five others 747 00:24:29,844 --> 00:24:30,043 who would not put their names on the record. 748 00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:32,047 who would not put their names on the record. 749 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,217 Again, they're all afraid to talk about it publicly, 750 00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:36,043 and it was 751 00:24:36,043 --> 00:24:36,752 and it was 752 00:24:36,785 --> 00:24:39,254 very difficult to even get two to talk to us. 753 00:24:39,287 --> 00:24:42,024 The Navy says it still doesn't know what the objects are, 754 00:24:42,057 --> 00:24:43,859 and officials aren't speculating. 755 00:24:43,892 --> 00:24:46,528 A Navy spokesman simply confirming to CNN 756 00:24:46,561 --> 00:24:48,043 the objects seen in the various clips 757 00:24:48,043 --> 00:24:48,430 the objects seen in the various clips 758 00:24:48,463 --> 00:24:51,066 are unidentified aerial phenomena, 759 00:24:51,099 --> 00:24:52,768 or UAPs. 760 00:24:52,801 --> 00:24:54,043 The conversation has finally moved, folks, 761 00:24:54,043 --> 00:24:55,337 The conversation has finally moved, folks, 762 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:56,838 from the fringe. 763 00:24:56,871 --> 00:24:59,441 So, congratulations. You succeeded. 764 00:24:59,474 --> 00:25:00,043 For some folks, the-the article that came out 765 00:25:00,043 --> 00:25:02,344 For some folks, the-the article that came out 766 00:25:02,377 --> 00:25:03,679 in The New York Times 767 00:25:03,712 --> 00:25:05,414 is the very first time 768 00:25:05,447 --> 00:25:06,043 they've ever actually even considered this topic. 769 00:25:06,043 --> 00:25:08,850 they've ever actually even considered this topic. 770 00:25:08,883 --> 00:25:10,586 ♪ slow, dramatic music ♪ 771 00:25:10,619 --> 00:25:12,043 [Knapp] After the New York Times story comes out, 772 00:25:12,043 --> 00:25:12,254 [Knapp] After the New York Times story comes out, 773 00:25:12,287 --> 00:25:15,390 we start producing stories about AATIP, 774 00:25:15,423 --> 00:25:18,043 the program that Lue Elizondo worked for. 775 00:25:18,043 --> 00:25:18,260 the program that Lue Elizondo worked for. 776 00:25:18,293 --> 00:25:21,029 I traveled to Washington to meet with Senator Reid. 777 00:25:21,863 --> 00:25:23,765 It was like a secret agent thing. 778 00:25:23,798 --> 00:25:24,043 I changed hotels, I changed cabs. 779 00:25:24,043 --> 00:25:25,900 I changed hotels, I changed cabs. 780 00:25:27,369 --> 00:25:30,043 Because I knew that Senator Reid was very sensitive. 781 00:25:30,043 --> 00:25:31,673 Because I knew that Senator Reid was very sensitive. 782 00:25:31,706 --> 00:25:32,741 I was just trying to be cautious. 783 00:25:32,774 --> 00:25:34,876 [Reid] George and I have 784 00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:36,043 been interested in this for a long time. 785 00:25:36,043 --> 00:25:37,245 been interested in this for a long time. 786 00:25:37,278 --> 00:25:39,715 And, for decades, we've shared information. 787 00:25:39,748 --> 00:25:41,083 [Knapp] He was gonna help me understand 788 00:25:41,116 --> 00:25:42,043 the bigger picture on this. 789 00:25:42,043 --> 00:25:42,751 the bigger picture on this. 790 00:25:42,784 --> 00:25:45,554 So, had the meeting with Senator Reid. 791 00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:48,043 And, you know, I had a general idea about AATIP. 792 00:25:48,043 --> 00:25:48,223 And, you know, I had a general idea about AATIP. 793 00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:51,093 I didn't know that there had been another program, 794 00:25:51,126 --> 00:25:52,794 that it had started out as something else, 795 00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:54,043 that it had been AAWSAP. 796 00:25:54,043 --> 00:25:54,096 that it had been AAWSAP. 797 00:25:54,129 --> 00:25:55,797 And I was shown the contract 798 00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:57,666 for the creation of AAWSAP, 799 00:25:57,699 --> 00:26:00,043 the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program. 800 00:26:00,043 --> 00:26:01,670 the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program. 801 00:26:01,703 --> 00:26:04,873 That was the name of the program that was created by the DIA, 802 00:26:04,906 --> 00:26:06,043 the Defense Intelligence Agency. 803 00:26:06,043 --> 00:26:07,542 the Defense Intelligence Agency. 804 00:26:07,575 --> 00:26:09,945 [Reid] It was dark money, black money. 805 00:26:09,978 --> 00:26:12,043 Even members of Congress don't know it's there. 806 00:26:12,043 --> 00:26:12,147 Even members of Congress don't know it's there. 807 00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:15,250 Because there would have been such criticism. 808 00:26:15,283 --> 00:26:18,043 "Why are they studying flying saucers?" 809 00:26:18,043 --> 00:26:18,453 "Why are they studying flying saucers?" 810 00:26:18,486 --> 00:26:21,089 We wanted to make sure that it was put out to bid, 811 00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:22,156 and it was. 812 00:26:23,024 --> 00:26:24,043 [Knapp] They let out a contract. 813 00:26:24,043 --> 00:26:24,426 [Knapp] They let out a contract. 814 00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,095 BAASS is the company that got contract. 815 00:26:27,128 --> 00:26:30,043 $22 million dollars is given to BAASS, 816 00:26:30,043 --> 00:26:30,899 $22 million dollars is given to BAASS, 817 00:26:30,932 --> 00:26:32,634 Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Systems, 818 00:26:32,667 --> 00:26:34,603 an organization created by this guy, 819 00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:35,837 Robert Bigelow. 820 00:26:37,138 --> 00:26:39,741 I've seen so many crazy stories about him. 821 00:26:39,774 --> 00:26:41,076 ♪ funky, upbeat music ♪ 822 00:26:41,109 --> 00:26:42,043 [newswoman] Meet Robert Bigelow, 823 00:26:42,043 --> 00:26:43,045 [newswoman] Meet Robert Bigelow, 824 00:26:43,078 --> 00:26:45,313 a real estate developer who made his fortune building... 825 00:26:45,346 --> 00:26:46,848 [newswoman 2] Bigelow Aerospace is going 826 00:26:46,881 --> 00:26:48,043 to expand its current operation... 827 00:26:48,043 --> 00:26:48,483 to expand its current operation... 828 00:26:48,516 --> 00:26:50,619 [newsman] An acronym for Bigelow Expandable 829 00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:51,987 Activity Module. 830 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:53,121 [newswoman 3] Those are the big dreams 831 00:26:53,154 --> 00:26:54,043 one local business owner has. 832 00:26:54,043 --> 00:26:54,623 one local business owner has. 833 00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:56,024 [Knapp] Robert Bigelow 834 00:26:56,057 --> 00:26:57,826 is a billionaire Las Vegas businessman. 835 00:26:57,859 --> 00:27:00,043 At one point, he had more hotel rooms than the MGM Grand here. 836 00:27:00,043 --> 00:27:02,164 At one point, he had more hotel rooms than the MGM Grand here. 837 00:27:02,197 --> 00:27:04,166 -Everybody knew Bob. -[newswoman 4] He's more at home 838 00:27:04,199 --> 00:27:06,043 on the Vegas Strip than at America's space agency. 839 00:27:06,043 --> 00:27:07,335 on the Vegas Strip than at America's space agency. 840 00:27:07,368 --> 00:27:10,105 [Reid] Bob Bigelow is a very conservative Republican, 841 00:27:10,138 --> 00:27:12,043 so, on political issues, we didn't agree on much. 842 00:27:12,043 --> 00:27:12,441 so, on political issues, we didn't agree on much. 843 00:27:12,474 --> 00:27:16,344 But he was a self-made multi-multimillionaire. 844 00:27:16,377 --> 00:27:17,546 He spent 845 00:27:17,579 --> 00:27:18,043 a number of years of his life 846 00:27:18,043 --> 00:27:19,948 a number of years of his life 847 00:27:19,981 --> 00:27:22,017 being inquisitive of what this is all about, 848 00:27:22,050 --> 00:27:24,043 and he has the money to play around with it a little bit. 849 00:27:24,043 --> 00:27:24,553 and he has the money to play around with it a little bit. 850 00:27:24,586 --> 00:27:28,857 [Lara Logan] Do you believe that UFOs have come to Earth? 851 00:27:28,890 --> 00:27:30,043 There has been and is an existing presence, 852 00:27:30,043 --> 00:27:30,692 There has been and is an existing presence, 853 00:27:30,725 --> 00:27:32,394 uh, an ET presence. 854 00:27:32,427 --> 00:27:34,629 And I spent millions and millions-- I probably spent more 855 00:27:34,662 --> 00:27:36,043 as an individual than anybody else in the United States 856 00:27:36,043 --> 00:27:37,065 as an individual than anybody else in the United States 857 00:27:37,098 --> 00:27:39,033 has ever spent on this subject. 858 00:27:39,868 --> 00:27:42,043 [Kean] Robert Bigelow has been a really important figure 859 00:27:42,043 --> 00:27:42,471 [Kean] Robert Bigelow has been a really important figure 860 00:27:42,504 --> 00:27:44,239 for years and years on UFOs. 861 00:27:44,272 --> 00:27:46,041 He develops 862 00:27:46,074 --> 00:27:48,043 technology for traveling into space. 863 00:27:48,043 --> 00:27:49,010 technology for traveling into space. 864 00:27:50,044 --> 00:27:51,513 [Greenewald] You have these guys 865 00:27:51,546 --> 00:27:53,081 like Branson and Musk 866 00:27:53,114 --> 00:27:54,043 trying to tap into this commercialization 867 00:27:54,043 --> 00:27:56,084 trying to tap into this commercialization 868 00:27:56,117 --> 00:27:58,086 of space travel and space exploration. 869 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,043 It's a very small list of names. 870 00:28:00,043 --> 00:28:00,088 It's a very small list of names. 871 00:28:00,121 --> 00:28:02,991 You can count Robert Bigelow up there as well. 872 00:28:03,024 --> 00:28:05,727 [Logan] NASA has partnered with Robert Bigelow, 873 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,043 who's an unconventional figure in the aerospace world. 874 00:28:06,043 --> 00:28:09,865 who's an unconventional figure in the aerospace world. 875 00:28:09,898 --> 00:28:12,043 He's obsessed with aliens and UFOs. 876 00:28:12,043 --> 00:28:12,501 He's obsessed with aliens and UFOs. 877 00:28:12,534 --> 00:28:15,504 [Blumenthal] We did report in our 2017 article 878 00:28:15,537 --> 00:28:17,672 Bigelow saying that he believed in aliens, 879 00:28:17,705 --> 00:28:18,043 that, I mean, he-he believes that. 880 00:28:18,043 --> 00:28:19,541 that, I mean, he-he believes that. 881 00:28:19,574 --> 00:28:21,109 Do you believe in aliens? 882 00:28:21,142 --> 00:28:23,879 I'm absolutely convinced. That's all there is to it. 883 00:28:23,912 --> 00:28:24,043 We felt it was only fair to give his full context. 884 00:28:24,043 --> 00:28:26,848 We felt it was only fair to give his full context. 885 00:28:26,881 --> 00:28:28,116 Because, if we hadn't, someone would say, 886 00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:29,851 "Oh, yeah, Bigelow believes in aliens. 887 00:28:29,884 --> 00:28:30,043 You didn't mention that." 888 00:28:30,043 --> 00:28:30,752 You didn't mention that." 889 00:28:30,785 --> 00:28:32,287 So we-we said, "Yes, 890 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,222 he's made statements in the past." 891 00:28:34,255 --> 00:28:36,043 [Logan] You don't worry that some people will say, 892 00:28:36,043 --> 00:28:36,358 [Logan] You don't worry that some people will say, 893 00:28:36,391 --> 00:28:38,593 "Did you hear that guy? He sounds like he's crazy"? 894 00:28:38,626 --> 00:28:40,362 -I don't care. -Why not? 895 00:28:40,395 --> 00:28:42,043 It's not gonna make a difference. 896 00:28:42,043 --> 00:28:42,130 It's not gonna make a difference. 897 00:28:42,163 --> 00:28:45,233 It's not gonna change the reality of what I know. 898 00:28:45,967 --> 00:28:47,068 [Knapp] I know the guy. 899 00:28:47,101 --> 00:28:48,043 And I know about BAASS. 900 00:28:48,043 --> 00:28:49,070 And I know about BAASS. 901 00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:50,739 I mean, Bob Bigelow announced it 902 00:28:50,772 --> 00:28:52,140 on my radio show. 903 00:28:52,173 --> 00:28:54,043 [Bigelow] The mission for this company 904 00:28:54,043 --> 00:28:54,075 [Bigelow] The mission for this company 905 00:28:54,108 --> 00:28:58,346 is to pursue exotic, novel technologies. 906 00:28:58,379 --> 00:29:00,043 As you know, George, there's probably nothing more difficult 907 00:29:00,043 --> 00:29:00,782 As you know, George, there's probably nothing more difficult 908 00:29:00,815 --> 00:29:03,385 that you could tackle than this kind of a problem. 909 00:29:03,418 --> 00:29:05,187 ♪ low, eerie music ♪ 910 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:06,043 ♪ 911 00:29:06,043 --> 00:29:07,755 ♪ 912 00:29:10,124 --> 00:29:12,043 [Greenewald] Bigelow has a very interesting history 913 00:29:12,043 --> 00:29:12,928 [Greenewald] Bigelow has a very interesting history 914 00:29:12,961 --> 00:29:14,562 that predates the AATIP story. 915 00:29:15,463 --> 00:29:17,599 [Knapp] A number of years before BAASS, 916 00:29:17,632 --> 00:29:18,043 he made up his own UFO organization called NIDS, 917 00:29:18,043 --> 00:29:20,435 he made up his own UFO organization called NIDS, 918 00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:23,371 the National Institute for Discovery Science. 919 00:29:23,404 --> 00:29:24,043 1995, 920 00:29:24,043 --> 00:29:24,573 1995, 921 00:29:24,606 --> 00:29:26,541 he puts this together 922 00:29:26,574 --> 00:29:27,976 and brings a number 923 00:29:28,009 --> 00:29:30,043 of really distinguished academics, 924 00:29:30,043 --> 00:29:31,012 of really distinguished academics, 925 00:29:31,045 --> 00:29:33,515 couple of guys who had worked for the CIA. 926 00:29:33,548 --> 00:29:35,449 There were two astronauts. 927 00:29:36,618 --> 00:29:38,954 A colonel who had done his own attempts 928 00:29:38,987 --> 00:29:41,690 to get to the bottom of the UFO mystery 929 00:29:41,723 --> 00:29:42,043 from inside the Pentagon. 930 00:29:42,043 --> 00:29:43,291 from inside the Pentagon. 931 00:29:44,959 --> 00:29:46,595 [Greenewald] NIDS aimed to investigate 932 00:29:46,628 --> 00:29:47,863 claims of the paranormal, 933 00:29:47,896 --> 00:29:48,043 not only UFOs but some other things. 934 00:29:48,043 --> 00:29:50,798 not only UFOs but some other things. 935 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,043 [Knapp] 1995, Bigelow puts NIDS together. 936 00:29:54,043 --> 00:29:55,604 [Knapp] 1995, Bigelow puts NIDS together. 937 00:29:55,637 --> 00:29:56,671 Spoke to that first meeting 938 00:29:56,704 --> 00:29:58,106 in 1996, 939 00:29:58,139 --> 00:29:59,941 made a presentation. 940 00:29:59,974 --> 00:30:00,043 And my jaw is dropping at-- 941 00:30:00,043 --> 00:30:01,543 And my jaw is dropping at-- 942 00:30:01,576 --> 00:30:03,911 looking around the room at who these people were. 943 00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:06,043 That's when Skinwalker Ranch enters the picture. 944 00:30:06,043 --> 00:30:08,316 That's when Skinwalker Ranch enters the picture. 945 00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:10,318 ♪ rhythmic, hypnotic music ♪ 946 00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:12,043 ♪ 947 00:30:12,043 --> 00:30:12,453 ♪ 948 00:30:19,294 --> 00:30:22,430 [Reid] A lot of the stuff on Skinwalker Ranch 949 00:30:22,463 --> 00:30:24,032 is very, very, um, 950 00:30:24,065 --> 00:30:25,533 difficult to understand. 951 00:30:25,566 --> 00:30:27,602 You know, there have been things reported up there 952 00:30:27,635 --> 00:30:29,036 for generations. 953 00:30:32,774 --> 00:30:33,775 [insects trilling] 954 00:30:33,808 --> 00:30:35,577 ♪ soft, eerie music ♪ 955 00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:36,043 ♪ 956 00:30:36,043 --> 00:30:38,112 ♪ 957 00:30:40,515 --> 00:30:42,043 [Greenewald] We know that Robert Bigelow wanted to 958 00:30:42,043 --> 00:30:42,918 [Greenewald] We know that Robert Bigelow wanted to 959 00:30:42,951 --> 00:30:44,852 investigate Skinwalker Ranch. 960 00:30:46,154 --> 00:30:48,043 That ranch is a 480-acre ranch 961 00:30:48,043 --> 00:30:49,391 That ranch is a 480-acre ranch 962 00:30:49,424 --> 00:30:51,993 that's located in Northeastern Utah 963 00:30:52,026 --> 00:30:54,043 in an area known as the Uintah Basin. 964 00:30:54,043 --> 00:30:56,130 in an area known as the Uintah Basin. 965 00:30:56,864 --> 00:30:58,433 For decades now, 966 00:30:58,466 --> 00:31:00,043 there are stories after stories 967 00:31:00,043 --> 00:31:00,468 there are stories after stories 968 00:31:00,501 --> 00:31:04,339 about all of this paranormal activity happening on the ranch 969 00:31:04,372 --> 00:31:05,340 and around it. 970 00:31:05,373 --> 00:31:06,043 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 971 00:31:06,043 --> 00:31:07,309 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 972 00:31:07,342 --> 00:31:09,443 ♪ 973 00:31:11,012 --> 00:31:12,043 In fact, some of the legend dates back 974 00:31:12,043 --> 00:31:12,948 In fact, some of the legend dates back 975 00:31:12,981 --> 00:31:16,084 more than 15 generations into Native American lore. 976 00:31:16,117 --> 00:31:18,043 And they talk about a shapeshifting witch 977 00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:19,087 And they talk about a shapeshifting witch 978 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,955 known as the skinwalker. 979 00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:24,043 The Native Americans, they wanted to avoid 980 00:31:24,043 --> 00:31:24,960 The Native Americans, they wanted to avoid 981 00:31:24,993 --> 00:31:28,930 that area altogether because of what they were seeing in the sky 982 00:31:28,963 --> 00:31:30,043 and on the ground. 983 00:31:30,043 --> 00:31:30,131 and on the ground. 984 00:31:31,199 --> 00:31:33,134 [Knapp] In the mid-1990s, uh, 985 00:31:33,167 --> 00:31:34,802 a family move into the property. 986 00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:38,773 [Bigelow] I spent quite a bit of time talking to Terry Sherman. 987 00:31:38,806 --> 00:31:40,275 And he was the owner. 988 00:31:40,308 --> 00:31:42,043 He and his wife and two children lived there. 989 00:31:42,043 --> 00:31:42,210 He and his wife and two children lived there. 990 00:31:42,243 --> 00:31:43,778 They operated the ranch, 991 00:31:43,811 --> 00:31:46,948 and they had a phenomenal 992 00:31:46,981 --> 00:31:48,043 diversity of encounters. 993 00:31:48,043 --> 00:31:49,017 diversity of encounters. 994 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:50,719 [Knapp] Really strange stuff. 995 00:31:50,752 --> 00:31:51,987 Off the charts strange. 996 00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:54,022 Balls of light. 997 00:31:54,055 --> 00:31:56,825 [man] There's no flashes to it. 998 00:31:56,858 --> 00:31:58,560 It's just a solid light. 999 00:31:58,593 --> 00:32:00,043 [woman] It won't make any sound either. 1000 00:32:00,043 --> 00:32:00,662 [woman] It won't make any sound either. 1001 00:32:00,695 --> 00:32:01,730 The ground would shake. 1002 00:32:01,763 --> 00:32:04,399 [rumbling] 1003 00:32:04,432 --> 00:32:05,667 They would hear 1004 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:06,043 these disembodied voices speaking in languages 1005 00:32:06,043 --> 00:32:08,069 these disembodied voices speaking in languages 1006 00:32:08,102 --> 00:32:10,004 they didn't understand. 1007 00:32:10,938 --> 00:32:12,043 It's like a haunted house 1008 00:32:12,043 --> 00:32:12,507 It's like a haunted house 1009 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:13,842 with UFOs. 1010 00:32:13,875 --> 00:32:16,811 ♪ booming, mysterious music ♪ 1011 00:32:16,844 --> 00:32:18,043 ♪ haunting, eerie music ♪ 1012 00:32:18,043 --> 00:32:19,347 ♪ haunting, eerie music ♪ 1013 00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:20,715 And then the animal mutilations start. 1014 00:32:20,748 --> 00:32:23,250 ♪ 1015 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,522 The rancher, I think, at first felt 1016 00:32:27,555 --> 00:32:30,043 that somebody was trying to drive him off the property. 1017 00:32:30,043 --> 00:32:30,225 that somebody was trying to drive him off the property. 1018 00:32:30,258 --> 00:32:31,826 There was an article in a newspaper. 1019 00:32:31,859 --> 00:32:34,529 A local newspaper had done a story about it. 1020 00:32:34,562 --> 00:32:36,043 'Cause the rancher's trying to figure out 1021 00:32:36,043 --> 00:32:36,464 'Cause the rancher's trying to figure out 1022 00:32:36,497 --> 00:32:39,033 what the heck is going on. 1023 00:32:41,769 --> 00:32:42,043 By the time that Bigelow hears about it, 1024 00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,072 By the time that Bigelow hears about it, 1025 00:32:44,105 --> 00:32:45,206 they were scared. 1026 00:32:45,239 --> 00:32:46,674 They were so messed up. 1027 00:32:46,707 --> 00:32:48,043 They had been through psychological hell. 1028 00:32:48,043 --> 00:32:48,576 They had been through psychological hell. 1029 00:32:49,644 --> 00:32:52,213 They wanted out, so Bigelow went up, 1030 00:32:52,246 --> 00:32:53,715 met with the family 1031 00:32:53,748 --> 00:32:54,043 and Bigelow offers to buy the property. 1032 00:32:54,043 --> 00:32:57,085 and Bigelow offers to buy the property. 1033 00:32:57,118 --> 00:32:58,887 [Bigelow] Terry and I made a deal, 1034 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,043 providing he would stay on. 1035 00:33:00,043 --> 00:33:00,855 providing he would stay on. 1036 00:33:00,888 --> 00:33:02,290 Because I need somebody there, 1037 00:33:02,323 --> 00:33:04,526 in addition to... he had backyard... 1038 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,043 literally backyard knowledge. 1039 00:33:06,043 --> 00:33:07,395 literally backyard knowledge. 1040 00:33:10,665 --> 00:33:12,043 There was an episode with-with the ranch manager after Terry. 1041 00:33:12,043 --> 00:33:15,070 There was an episode with-with the ranch manager after Terry. 1042 00:33:15,103 --> 00:33:18,043 I hired some other folks, some-some wonderful people. 1043 00:33:18,043 --> 00:33:18,673 I hired some other folks, some-some wonderful people. 1044 00:33:18,706 --> 00:33:20,742 ♪ low, dramatic music ♪ 1045 00:33:20,775 --> 00:33:23,278 ♪ 1046 00:33:23,311 --> 00:33:24,043 [John Alexander] I was 1047 00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:24,779 [John Alexander] I was 1048 00:33:24,812 --> 00:33:28,083 32 years with the military in various forms. 1049 00:33:28,116 --> 00:33:30,043 Spent most of the time in special operations intelligence. 1050 00:33:30,043 --> 00:33:32,653 Spent most of the time in special operations intelligence. 1051 00:33:34,755 --> 00:33:36,043 I got to higher and higher levels in the government. 1052 00:33:36,043 --> 00:33:38,726 I got to higher and higher levels in the government. 1053 00:33:40,895 --> 00:33:42,043 I had met a number of people who were interested in UFOs. 1054 00:33:42,043 --> 00:33:45,399 I had met a number of people who were interested in UFOs. 1055 00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:53,274 The opportunity came along for Bob to buy the ranch. 1056 00:33:53,307 --> 00:33:54,043 I was with him 1057 00:33:54,043 --> 00:33:55,110 I was with him 1058 00:33:55,143 --> 00:33:56,578 the day he bought it, 1059 00:33:56,611 --> 00:33:59,647 and I was first one to spend a night up there. 1060 00:34:01,115 --> 00:34:03,551 [Knapp] John Alexander's a counterintelligence guy. 1061 00:34:03,584 --> 00:34:06,043 He's, like, an actual "man in black" guy. 1062 00:34:06,043 --> 00:34:07,121 He's, like, an actual "man in black" guy. 1063 00:34:08,055 --> 00:34:09,724 He's interested in these topics 1064 00:34:09,757 --> 00:34:12,043 and just wants to get to the bottom of it, like we all do. 1065 00:34:12,043 --> 00:34:12,393 and just wants to get to the bottom of it, like we all do. 1066 00:34:13,895 --> 00:34:15,530 [Alexander] We set up NIDS, 1067 00:34:15,563 --> 00:34:18,043 the National Institute for Discovery Science, 1068 00:34:18,043 --> 00:34:18,566 the National Institute for Discovery Science, 1069 00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:22,570 and started, uh, exploring it. 1070 00:34:22,603 --> 00:34:24,043 Cameras 24/7 1071 00:34:24,043 --> 00:34:24,205 Cameras 24/7 1072 00:34:24,238 --> 00:34:26,141 and looking out at the events 1073 00:34:26,174 --> 00:34:27,308 at the ranch. 1074 00:34:27,341 --> 00:34:29,611 ♪ rhythmic, eerie music ♪ 1075 00:34:29,644 --> 00:34:30,043 ♪ 1076 00:34:30,043 --> 00:34:31,545 ♪ 1077 00:34:33,948 --> 00:34:36,043 Just amazing phenomena would absolutely occur 1078 00:34:36,043 --> 00:34:38,186 Just amazing phenomena would absolutely occur 1079 00:34:38,219 --> 00:34:41,322 and... totally beyond explanation. 1080 00:34:46,327 --> 00:34:47,929 Frequently, things 1081 00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:48,043 would happen just off camera, 1082 00:34:48,043 --> 00:34:49,597 would happen just off camera, 1083 00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:51,132 as if it knew where it was. 1084 00:34:51,165 --> 00:34:53,400 [birds chirping] 1085 00:34:54,302 --> 00:34:55,870 Other things happened 1086 00:34:55,903 --> 00:34:59,173 that should have been on camera that weren't. 1087 00:34:59,874 --> 00:35:00,043 Very strange place. 1088 00:35:00,043 --> 00:35:02,776 Very strange place. 1089 00:35:05,213 --> 00:35:06,043 ♪ soft, hypnotic music ♪ 1090 00:35:06,043 --> 00:35:07,615 ♪ soft, hypnotic music ♪ 1091 00:35:07,648 --> 00:35:10,318 ♪ 1092 00:35:10,351 --> 00:35:11,920 [Chris Marx] I'm not a UFO guy. 1093 00:35:11,953 --> 00:35:12,043 I'm not a, you know-- a huge paranormal guy. 1094 00:35:12,043 --> 00:35:15,490 I'm not a, you know-- a huge paranormal guy. 1095 00:35:15,523 --> 00:35:17,425 I had just 1096 00:35:17,458 --> 00:35:18,043 returned from a two-year tour in Iraq. 1097 00:35:18,043 --> 00:35:20,628 returned from a two-year tour in Iraq. 1098 00:35:20,661 --> 00:35:24,043 So I didn't really know much about any of that. 1099 00:35:24,043 --> 00:35:24,498 So I didn't really know much about any of that. 1100 00:35:27,201 --> 00:35:29,470 I got my first marching orders 1101 00:35:29,503 --> 00:35:30,043 to go to Skinwalker Ranch. 1102 00:35:30,043 --> 00:35:32,673 to go to Skinwalker Ranch. 1103 00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:36,043 We were primed that we would be 1104 00:35:36,043 --> 00:35:36,578 We were primed that we would be 1105 00:35:36,611 --> 00:35:39,314 some sort of a paranormal investigative team 1106 00:35:39,347 --> 00:35:41,816 and document these events 1107 00:35:41,849 --> 00:35:42,043 that seemed to be taking place on the ranch. 1108 00:35:42,043 --> 00:35:44,785 that seemed to be taking place on the ranch. 1109 00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:48,043 We were advised to document 1110 00:35:48,043 --> 00:35:48,423 We were advised to document 1111 00:35:48,456 --> 00:35:51,926 anything that was out of the ordinary, 1112 00:35:51,959 --> 00:35:53,728 anything that seemed... 1113 00:35:53,761 --> 00:35:54,043 anomalous. 1114 00:35:54,043 --> 00:35:55,496 anomalous. 1115 00:35:55,529 --> 00:35:58,032 I went out a lot by myself, 1116 00:35:58,065 --> 00:36:00,043 taking a lot of pictures. 1117 00:36:00,043 --> 00:36:00,901 taking a lot of pictures. 1118 00:36:01,936 --> 00:36:04,472 [camera shutter clicking] 1119 00:36:04,505 --> 00:36:06,043 [Marx] I knew the ranch, 1120 00:36:06,043 --> 00:36:06,307 [Marx] I knew the ranch, 1121 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:08,309 in those six years, probably better 1122 00:36:08,342 --> 00:36:09,811 than anybody else, from 1123 00:36:09,844 --> 00:36:11,179 every cave there is, 1124 00:36:11,212 --> 00:36:12,043 to the valleys, to the river area. 1125 00:36:12,043 --> 00:36:13,548 to the valleys, to the river area. 1126 00:36:13,581 --> 00:36:15,717 ♪ slow, suspenseful music ♪ 1127 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:18,043 ♪ 1128 00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:18,419 ♪ 1129 00:36:18,452 --> 00:36:20,755 [Marx] There was constantly a feeling 1130 00:36:20,788 --> 00:36:23,224 of being watched. 1131 00:36:24,759 --> 00:36:29,530 Almost like a presence of something you couldn't see. 1132 00:36:30,431 --> 00:36:32,533 [Alexander] The phenomena, 1133 00:36:32,566 --> 00:36:36,043 whatever "it" was-- absolutely in control. 1134 00:36:36,043 --> 00:36:36,104 whatever "it" was-- absolutely in control. 1135 00:36:36,137 --> 00:36:39,507 It seemed to know how 1136 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:41,576 we were going to respond 1137 00:36:41,609 --> 00:36:42,043 before events occurred. 1138 00:36:42,043 --> 00:36:43,311 before events occurred. 1139 00:36:43,344 --> 00:36:45,480 [Marx] It started slow, 1140 00:36:45,513 --> 00:36:47,582 by somebody just banging on the door, 1141 00:36:47,615 --> 00:36:48,043 or opening the door, 1142 00:36:48,043 --> 00:36:49,817 or opening the door, 1143 00:36:49,850 --> 00:36:52,587 and then you would go out, and there's nobody there. 1144 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:54,043 Or somebody, it sounded like, had a stick 1145 00:36:54,043 --> 00:36:55,757 Or somebody, it sounded like, had a stick 1146 00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:57,659 and went around the metal skirting 1147 00:36:57,692 --> 00:36:59,627 of the headquarters, 360. 1148 00:36:59,660 --> 00:37:00,043 When you go out, there's nothing. 1149 00:37:00,043 --> 00:37:01,629 When you go out, there's nothing. 1150 00:37:01,662 --> 00:37:05,066 But the crowning event was, it was about 10:30 at night, 1151 00:37:05,099 --> 00:37:06,043 and I was writing a report. 1152 00:37:06,043 --> 00:37:07,035 and I was writing a report. 1153 00:37:07,068 --> 00:37:08,670 [birds chirping] 1154 00:37:08,703 --> 00:37:11,572 And I hear the front door being thrown open. 1155 00:37:11,605 --> 00:37:12,043 -[door opens] -You can clearly hear 1156 00:37:12,043 --> 00:37:15,276 -[door opens] -You can clearly hear 1157 00:37:15,309 --> 00:37:17,278 -somebody behind me. -[footsteps] 1158 00:37:17,311 --> 00:37:18,043 You can not only hear it, but you could also feel the ground 1159 00:37:18,043 --> 00:37:21,549 You can not only hear it, but you could also feel the ground 1160 00:37:21,582 --> 00:37:24,043 move. You could feel the vibration of the ground. 1161 00:37:24,043 --> 00:37:24,152 move. You could feel the vibration of the ground. 1162 00:37:24,185 --> 00:37:27,288 And whatever thing that was 1163 00:37:27,321 --> 00:37:29,457 walked through the entire house, 1164 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:30,043 -opened the back door... -[door opens] 1165 00:37:30,043 --> 00:37:31,826 -opened the back door... -[door opens] 1166 00:37:31,859 --> 00:37:35,063 ...and then, you could hear him walk down the stairs. 1167 00:37:35,096 --> 00:37:36,043 [footsteps] 1168 00:37:36,043 --> 00:37:36,798 [footsteps] 1169 00:37:36,831 --> 00:37:39,100 You could see the stairs individually move. 1170 00:37:39,133 --> 00:37:41,002 I stopped, 1171 00:37:41,035 --> 00:37:42,043 at some point, trying to find a smoking gun. 1172 00:37:42,043 --> 00:37:44,371 at some point, trying to find a smoking gun. 1173 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:48,043 I just wanted to document as well as I could. 1174 00:37:48,043 --> 00:37:48,876 I just wanted to document as well as I could. 1175 00:37:49,877 --> 00:37:51,546 [Knapp] Skinwalker Ranch-- 1176 00:37:51,579 --> 00:37:54,043 poltergeist activity, weird creatures-- 1177 00:37:54,043 --> 00:37:54,282 poltergeist activity, weird creatures-- 1178 00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:56,016 all in one area. 1179 00:37:56,851 --> 00:37:58,486 [Greenewald] We know about Robert Bigelow 1180 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,043 and his connection to Skinwalker Ranch. 1181 00:38:00,043 --> 00:38:01,022 and his connection to Skinwalker Ranch. 1182 00:38:01,055 --> 00:38:02,957 And he just happens to be the guy 1183 00:38:02,990 --> 00:38:05,393 who was awarded the contract for AAWSAP, 1184 00:38:05,426 --> 00:38:06,043 which turned into some kind of UFO research program. 1185 00:38:06,043 --> 00:38:08,763 which turned into some kind of UFO research program. 1186 00:38:08,796 --> 00:38:11,065 ♪ slow, suspenseful music ♪ 1187 00:38:11,098 --> 00:38:12,043 [Knapp] In July of 2007, 1188 00:38:12,043 --> 00:38:14,168 [Knapp] In July of 2007, 1189 00:38:14,201 --> 00:38:16,471 a guy in Washington, 1190 00:38:16,504 --> 00:38:17,939 at the DIA-- he's a physicist, 1191 00:38:17,972 --> 00:38:18,043 a rocket scientist-- writes a letter 1192 00:38:18,043 --> 00:38:19,874 a rocket scientist-- writes a letter 1193 00:38:19,907 --> 00:38:23,211 to Robert Bigelow, and he says, uh, "Hey, I'm so-and-so. 1194 00:38:23,244 --> 00:38:24,043 I work for the Defense Intelligence Agency. 1195 00:38:24,043 --> 00:38:24,979 I work for the Defense Intelligence Agency. 1196 00:38:25,012 --> 00:38:27,115 I've heard about the Skinwalker Ranch. 1197 00:38:27,148 --> 00:38:29,550 I'd like to visit the property and see it for myself." 1198 00:38:29,583 --> 00:38:30,043 Writes this letter to Bigelow, Bigelow gets it. 1199 00:38:30,043 --> 00:38:31,853 Writes this letter to Bigelow, Bigelow gets it. 1200 00:38:31,886 --> 00:38:33,554 He calls Harry Reid. 1201 00:38:33,587 --> 00:38:35,656 ♪ dramatic, suspenseful music ♪ 1202 00:38:35,689 --> 00:38:36,043 [Reid] One day, Bigelow called me. 1203 00:38:36,043 --> 00:38:37,392 [Reid] One day, Bigelow called me. 1204 00:38:37,425 --> 00:38:39,227 He said, "I got the damndest letter. 1205 00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:40,962 I want you to see it." 1206 00:38:40,995 --> 00:38:42,043 And so, I read the letter, and I said, 1207 00:38:42,043 --> 00:38:43,564 And so, I read the letter, and I said, 1208 00:38:43,597 --> 00:38:45,566 "Now this is something I think is interesting. 1209 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,869 It came from a reliable source." 1210 00:38:47,902 --> 00:38:48,043 I said, "I don't know the man, never heard of him." 1211 00:38:48,043 --> 00:38:50,471 I said, "I don't know the man, never heard of him." 1212 00:38:50,504 --> 00:38:53,908 But I said, uh, "I will contact him." 1213 00:38:53,941 --> 00:38:54,043 After meeting with him several times, 1214 00:38:54,043 --> 00:38:55,877 After meeting with him several times, 1215 00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:57,578 I called Bigelow, and I said, 1216 00:38:57,611 --> 00:38:59,280 "I think you should give this guy permission 1217 00:38:59,313 --> 00:39:00,043 to go to your Skinwalker Ranch." 1218 00:39:00,043 --> 00:39:00,981 to go to your Skinwalker Ranch." 1219 00:39:02,516 --> 00:39:04,352 [Knapp] Bigelow invites the guy out. 1220 00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:06,043 They fly together to the ranch. 1221 00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:06,687 They fly together to the ranch. 1222 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,056 They're there for maybe hour, hour and a half. 1223 00:39:09,089 --> 00:39:12,043 Within ten, 15 minutes of being on the property, 1224 00:39:12,043 --> 00:39:12,360 Within ten, 15 minutes of being on the property, 1225 00:39:12,393 --> 00:39:13,995 this guy has an experience, 1226 00:39:14,028 --> 00:39:17,331 and it seems to have been tailor-made for him. 1227 00:39:17,364 --> 00:39:18,043 Something appears in this room, 1228 00:39:18,043 --> 00:39:20,134 Something appears in this room, 1229 00:39:20,167 --> 00:39:23,538 and it's something that only he can see. 1230 00:39:23,571 --> 00:39:24,043 ♪ suspenseful, eerie music ♪ 1231 00:39:24,043 --> 00:39:25,540 ♪ suspenseful, eerie music ♪ 1232 00:39:25,573 --> 00:39:27,408 ♪ 1233 00:39:27,441 --> 00:39:28,709 He goes back to Washington. 1234 00:39:28,742 --> 00:39:30,043 He meets with Reid again, 1235 00:39:30,043 --> 00:39:30,845 He meets with Reid again, 1236 00:39:30,878 --> 00:39:33,114 tells him about it, Reid arranges 1237 00:39:33,147 --> 00:39:35,917 a meeting in a SCIF under the Capitol, 1238 00:39:35,950 --> 00:39:36,043 a secure facility. 1239 00:39:36,043 --> 00:39:37,752 a secure facility. 1240 00:39:37,785 --> 00:39:40,455 And the scientist meets with Reid 1241 00:39:40,488 --> 00:39:42,043 and Daniel Inouye and Ted Stevens, 1242 00:39:42,043 --> 00:39:42,457 and Daniel Inouye and Ted Stevens, 1243 00:39:42,490 --> 00:39:44,091 and they talk about, 1244 00:39:44,124 --> 00:39:46,594 should we put some money together and study this? 1245 00:39:46,627 --> 00:39:48,043 [Reid] In short, this is one 1246 00:39:48,043 --> 00:39:48,596 [Reid] In short, this is one 1247 00:39:48,629 --> 00:39:50,298 of the easiest sells I ever had to make 1248 00:39:50,331 --> 00:39:53,935 because Ted Stevens immediately said, "Good. 1249 00:39:53,968 --> 00:39:54,043 When I was in the Army Air Corps, 1250 00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:56,137 When I was in the Army Air Corps, 1251 00:39:56,170 --> 00:40:00,043 I went up one time, and there was a vehicle 1252 00:40:00,043 --> 00:40:00,475 I went up one time, and there was a vehicle 1253 00:40:00,508 --> 00:40:02,143 off to my left. 1254 00:40:02,176 --> 00:40:03,845 I would go up and down." 1255 00:40:03,878 --> 00:40:06,043 And did everything he could to shake that object, 1256 00:40:06,043 --> 00:40:06,280 And did everything he could to shake that object, 1257 00:40:06,313 --> 00:40:08,683 and he couldn't. 1258 00:40:08,716 --> 00:40:10,985 And he asked some people on the ground, 1259 00:40:11,018 --> 00:40:12,043 "What was that?" 1260 00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:12,153 "What was that?" 1261 00:40:12,186 --> 00:40:13,788 And they said, "We didn't see anything." 1262 00:40:13,821 --> 00:40:17,124 So he said, "I'm in favor of this." 1263 00:40:17,157 --> 00:40:18,043 So that's where we got the $22 million dollars. 1264 00:40:18,043 --> 00:40:20,695 So that's where we got the $22 million dollars. 1265 00:40:20,728 --> 00:40:22,630 [Knapp] Stevens said, "Yes," 1266 00:40:22,663 --> 00:40:24,043 Inouye said, "Yes," 1267 00:40:24,043 --> 00:40:24,198 Inouye said, "Yes," 1268 00:40:24,231 --> 00:40:26,434 Reid says, "Yes," and it was a done deal. 1269 00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:29,937 Signed it in September of 2008, and they were off to the races. 1270 00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:30,043 ♪ fast-paced electronic music ♪ 1271 00:40:30,043 --> 00:40:32,373 ♪ fast-paced electronic music ♪ 1272 00:40:32,406 --> 00:40:36,043 Bigelow recruits scientists, private investigators, 1273 00:40:36,043 --> 00:40:36,244 Bigelow recruits scientists, private investigators, 1274 00:40:36,277 --> 00:40:37,745 former cop and military folks, 1275 00:40:37,778 --> 00:40:42,043 and then, they start investigating cases. 1276 00:40:42,043 --> 00:40:42,250 and then, they start investigating cases. 1277 00:40:42,283 --> 00:40:43,818 Boots on the ground, interview the witnesses, 1278 00:40:43,851 --> 00:40:45,653 collect physical evidence, 1279 00:40:45,686 --> 00:40:46,854 put it together in reports. 1280 00:40:46,887 --> 00:40:48,043 [Kean] And he hired out 1281 00:40:48,043 --> 00:40:48,923 [Kean] And he hired out 1282 00:40:48,956 --> 00:40:51,726 a whole lot of scientists and experts to work 1283 00:40:51,759 --> 00:40:53,828 on various aspects of this issue, 1284 00:40:53,861 --> 00:40:54,043 and papers were written by them. 1285 00:40:54,043 --> 00:40:55,730 and papers were written by them. 1286 00:40:55,763 --> 00:41:00,043 [Knapp] 38 papers to look at aerospace 1287 00:41:00,043 --> 00:41:00,234 [Knapp] 38 papers to look at aerospace 1288 00:41:00,267 --> 00:41:02,370 and scientific breakthrough technologies 1289 00:41:02,403 --> 00:41:03,938 50 years in advance. 1290 00:41:03,971 --> 00:41:06,043 Can we duplicate what we've seen UFOs do? 1291 00:41:06,043 --> 00:41:08,910 Can we duplicate what we've seen UFOs do? 1292 00:41:08,943 --> 00:41:12,043 Can we, in 50 years, create a plane that's invisible? 1293 00:41:12,043 --> 00:41:12,579 Can we, in 50 years, create a plane that's invisible? 1294 00:41:13,714 --> 00:41:15,516 Can we go through a wormhole? 1295 00:41:16,850 --> 00:41:18,043 They put together a gigantic pile of information, 1296 00:41:18,043 --> 00:41:19,053 They put together a gigantic pile of information, 1297 00:41:19,086 --> 00:41:22,256 99% of which the public has not seen. 1298 00:41:23,257 --> 00:41:24,043 So, I-I released a couple of 'em. 1299 00:41:24,043 --> 00:41:25,192 So, I-I released a couple of 'em. 1300 00:41:25,225 --> 00:41:28,563 "Detection and High Resolution Tracking Vehicles 1301 00:41:28,596 --> 00:41:30,043 at Hypersonic Velocities." 1302 00:41:30,043 --> 00:41:30,698 at Hypersonic Velocities." 1303 00:41:30,731 --> 00:41:33,600 This is by Dr. Bill Culbreth at UNLV. 1304 00:41:34,435 --> 00:41:36,043 2009, that was pie in the sky. 1305 00:41:36,043 --> 00:41:37,071 2009, that was pie in the sky. 1306 00:41:37,104 --> 00:41:38,773 That's far off in the future. 1307 00:41:38,806 --> 00:41:40,641 Now, we know in the last couple of months, 1308 00:41:40,674 --> 00:41:42,043 Putin has boasted they've got hypersonic missiles that cannot 1309 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:44,078 Putin has boasted they've got hypersonic missiles that cannot 1310 00:41:44,111 --> 00:41:45,813 be stopped. 1311 00:41:45,846 --> 00:41:48,043 Bill Culbreth writes the paper 11 years ago 1312 00:41:48,043 --> 00:41:48,249 Bill Culbreth writes the paper 11 years ago 1313 00:41:48,282 --> 00:41:50,818 that says, "Here's what our capabilities are. 1314 00:41:50,851 --> 00:41:52,286 We need to get started on this." 1315 00:41:53,187 --> 00:41:54,043 There's no UFO that's mentioned in that report. 1316 00:41:54,043 --> 00:41:56,356 There's no UFO that's mentioned in that report. 1317 00:41:57,257 --> 00:41:59,594 But it is talking about objects that travel really fast, 1318 00:41:59,627 --> 00:42:00,043 and how do we track 'em. 1319 00:42:00,043 --> 00:42:01,462 and how do we track 'em. 1320 00:42:01,495 --> 00:42:03,998 You can see how that could be applied to the study of UFOs. 1321 00:42:04,031 --> 00:42:05,499 ♪ fast-paced electronic music ♪ 1322 00:42:05,532 --> 00:42:06,043 ♪ 1323 00:42:06,043 --> 00:42:09,636 ♪ 1324 00:42:13,674 --> 00:42:15,943 [seabirds calling] 1325 00:42:17,344 --> 00:42:18,043 ♪ slow, eerie synthesizer music ♪ 1326 00:42:18,043 --> 00:42:19,380 ♪ slow, eerie synthesizer music ♪ 1327 00:42:19,413 --> 00:42:21,949 ♪ 1328 00:42:23,317 --> 00:42:24,043 [Day] A part of me's still on watch. 1329 00:42:24,043 --> 00:42:25,619 [Day] A part of me's still on watch. 1330 00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:30,043 I was a TOPGUN graduate, senior air controller, 1331 00:42:30,043 --> 00:42:30,491 I was a TOPGUN graduate, senior air controller, 1332 00:42:30,524 --> 00:42:33,160 had 18 years sea time. 1333 00:42:34,128 --> 00:42:36,043 This encounter profoundly affected me. 1334 00:42:36,043 --> 00:42:37,965 This encounter profoundly affected me. 1335 00:42:39,533 --> 00:42:42,043 I went through some really hard times because of it. 1336 00:42:42,043 --> 00:42:42,136 I went through some really hard times because of it. 1337 00:42:42,169 --> 00:42:44,005 I had changed. 1338 00:42:44,038 --> 00:42:47,674 It changed me, and everyone around me noticed it. 1339 00:42:48,842 --> 00:42:50,611 I started having nightmares, um, 1340 00:42:50,644 --> 00:42:52,279 of the eschatological type, 1341 00:42:52,312 --> 00:42:54,043 like end-of-the-world type nightmares, 1342 00:42:54,043 --> 00:42:54,448 like end-of-the-world type nightmares, 1343 00:42:54,481 --> 00:42:56,017 um, out of the blue. 1344 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:57,685 I didn't know what was causing it, 1345 00:42:57,718 --> 00:42:59,687 but it started to affect my work, 1346 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:00,043 it started to affect my marriage. 1347 00:43:00,043 --> 00:43:01,122 it started to affect my marriage. 1348 00:43:01,155 --> 00:43:03,957 I ended up losing everything I had. 1349 00:43:04,792 --> 00:43:06,043 Your worldview is shattered, 1350 00:43:06,043 --> 00:43:06,494 Your worldview is shattered, 1351 00:43:06,527 --> 00:43:09,497 and I thought maybe I was even going crazy. 1352 00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:12,032 ♪ 1353 00:43:15,869 --> 00:43:17,738 I'd actually returned back to my hometown 1354 00:43:17,771 --> 00:43:18,043 back in Cave Junction, Oregon, 1355 00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:19,507 back in Cave Junction, Oregon, 1356 00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:21,942 and I was volunteering at the local golf course, 1357 00:43:21,975 --> 00:43:24,011 working in the kitchen. 1358 00:43:24,044 --> 00:43:28,349 It was December 17, 2017. 1359 00:43:28,382 --> 00:43:30,043 CNN was on TV. 1360 00:43:30,043 --> 00:43:30,151 CNN was on TV. 1361 00:43:30,184 --> 00:43:31,886 [Brian Todd] He saw the object, 1362 00:43:31,919 --> 00:43:33,320 waves breaking over it, and says 1363 00:43:33,353 --> 00:43:35,790 he saw something hovering above it. 1364 00:43:35,823 --> 00:43:36,043 [Day] Story comes on-- the Tic Tac video. 1365 00:43:36,043 --> 00:43:39,060 [Day] Story comes on-- the Tic Tac video. 1366 00:43:39,093 --> 00:43:40,861 [Fravor] It looks like a 40-foot long Tic Tac 1367 00:43:40,894 --> 00:43:42,043 with no wings. 1368 00:43:42,043 --> 00:43:43,064 with no wings. 1369 00:43:43,097 --> 00:43:45,866 Some of this was gonna be hard for me. 1370 00:43:45,899 --> 00:43:48,043 [clears throat] 1371 00:43:48,043 --> 00:43:48,101 [clears throat] 1372 00:43:50,504 --> 00:43:53,206 That moment rocked me. 1373 00:43:54,274 --> 00:43:58,379 They showed the same video that I had in 2004. 1374 00:43:58,412 --> 00:44:00,043 I knew in that moment. I knew in that moment that 1375 00:44:00,043 --> 00:44:02,116 I knew in that moment. I knew in that moment that 1376 00:44:02,149 --> 00:44:05,686 I had to talk, I had to speak up. 1377 00:44:07,588 --> 00:44:09,490 If you think about it, 1378 00:44:09,523 --> 00:44:11,325 since 2004, up to the present, 1379 00:44:11,358 --> 00:44:12,043 the number of cases reported by Navy pilots 1380 00:44:12,043 --> 00:44:13,527 the number of cases reported by Navy pilots 1381 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,043 and radar operators has... has definitely increased. Why? 1382 00:44:18,043 --> 00:44:18,198 and radar operators has... has definitely increased. Why? 1383 00:44:20,901 --> 00:44:23,003 [Day] No, not at all. I'm not angry 1384 00:44:23,036 --> 00:44:24,043 With my government, I don't hate my government. 1385 00:44:24,043 --> 00:44:25,005 With my government, I don't hate my government. 1386 00:44:25,038 --> 00:44:26,206 I support my government. 1387 00:44:27,141 --> 00:44:28,743 I don't hold anyone responsible 1388 00:44:28,776 --> 00:44:30,043 for what happened to me personally. 1389 00:44:30,043 --> 00:44:30,778 for what happened to me personally. 1390 00:44:30,811 --> 00:44:34,115 I don't have those feelings. Instead, 1391 00:44:34,148 --> 00:44:36,043 what I do feel is, I want to figure out what this thing is. 1392 00:44:36,043 --> 00:44:37,184 what I do feel is, I want to figure out what this thing is. 1393 00:44:37,217 --> 00:44:40,253 And I think they want to be found. 1394 00:44:41,722 --> 00:44:42,043 And we're gonna go find 'em. 1395 00:44:42,043 --> 00:44:43,891 And we're gonna go find 'em. 1396 00:44:43,924 --> 00:44:46,861 ♪ slow, mysterious music ♪ 1397 00:44:46,894 --> 00:44:48,043 [Reid] I am totally in favor 1398 00:44:48,043 --> 00:44:49,196 [Reid] I am totally in favor 1399 00:44:49,229 --> 00:44:53,434 of doing all the exploration we can on the world 1400 00:44:53,467 --> 00:44:54,043 beyond our world. 1401 00:44:54,043 --> 00:44:54,968 beyond our world. 1402 00:44:55,803 --> 00:44:57,705 We must remain curious. 1403 00:44:57,738 --> 00:45:00,043 Intellectually, we need to do everything we can 1404 00:45:00,043 --> 00:45:01,175 Intellectually, we need to do everything we can 1405 00:45:01,208 --> 00:45:03,276 to try to figure things out. 1406 00:45:05,379 --> 00:45:06,043 I know 1407 00:45:06,043 --> 00:45:07,248 I know 1408 00:45:07,281 --> 00:45:09,416 that people, when I got started in this, 1409 00:45:09,449 --> 00:45:12,043 thought that I was going in an area I shouldn't have. 1410 00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:13,053 thought that I was going in an area I shouldn't have. 1411 00:45:13,086 --> 00:45:15,189 "What the hell's he doing on this?" 1412 00:45:15,222 --> 00:45:18,043 But as time has gone on, even my wife, 1413 00:45:18,043 --> 00:45:18,292 But as time has gone on, even my wife, 1414 00:45:18,325 --> 00:45:21,529 who wondered why I was so involved in 1415 00:45:21,562 --> 00:45:24,043 unidentified flying objects, said to me a few months ago, 1416 00:45:24,043 --> 00:45:25,065 unidentified flying objects, said to me a few months ago, 1417 00:45:25,098 --> 00:45:27,768 "You're not looking so bad now." 1418 00:45:31,338 --> 00:45:32,907 I am confident, 1419 00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:36,043 and I am cautiously optimistic 1420 00:45:36,043 --> 00:45:36,844 and I am cautiously optimistic 1421 00:45:36,877 --> 00:45:39,413 that in the next year, 1422 00:45:39,446 --> 00:45:41,081 we are gonna have a fundamentally 1423 00:45:41,114 --> 00:45:42,043 different conversation than we're having today. 1424 00:45:42,043 --> 00:45:44,151 different conversation than we're having today. 1425 00:45:44,184 --> 00:45:46,687 I think there's gonna be additional fidelity, 1426 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,043 uh, to-to a lot of the things that have come out recently 1427 00:45:48,043 --> 00:45:51,025 uh, to-to a lot of the things that have come out recently 1428 00:45:51,058 --> 00:45:54,043 that are-are... are gonna help us, um, 1429 00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:54,128 that are-are... are gonna help us, um, 1430 00:45:54,161 --> 00:45:55,963 have a better understanding of what it is 1431 00:45:55,996 --> 00:45:57,965 -we're actually seeing here. -[applause] 1432 00:45:57,998 --> 00:45:59,934 [Greenewald] Throughout the decades, 1433 00:45:59,967 --> 00:46:00,043 when it comes to the field of ufology, 1434 00:46:00,043 --> 00:46:02,269 when it comes to the field of ufology, 1435 00:46:02,302 --> 00:46:06,043 you see people at the top, which are considered the leaders. 1436 00:46:06,043 --> 00:46:06,339 you see people at the top, which are considered the leaders. 1437 00:46:08,041 --> 00:46:09,977 Based on the New York Times article, 1438 00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:12,043 Luis Elizondo is one of those people. 1439 00:46:12,043 --> 00:46:13,013 Luis Elizondo is one of those people. 1440 00:46:13,046 --> 00:46:14,915 The day it was released, 1441 00:46:14,948 --> 00:46:18,043 I had filed multiple Freedom of Information Act requests 1442 00:46:18,043 --> 00:46:18,085 I had filed multiple Freedom of Information Act requests 1443 00:46:18,118 --> 00:46:20,688 to try and get more information from the Pentagon, 1444 00:46:20,721 --> 00:46:22,189 from the Department of Defense. 1445 00:46:22,222 --> 00:46:24,043 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 1446 00:46:24,043 --> 00:46:24,124 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 1447 00:46:24,157 --> 00:46:26,594 The Pentagon gave me a "no records" response 1448 00:46:26,627 --> 00:46:28,628 to my original request. 1449 00:46:29,463 --> 00:46:30,043 Now what's really strange about that is, 1450 00:46:30,043 --> 00:46:31,599 Now what's really strange about that is, 1451 00:46:31,632 --> 00:46:33,133 I gave them Mr. Elizondo's name. 1452 00:46:33,166 --> 00:46:36,043 And he said, "Nope, we got nothing." 1453 00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:36,170 And he said, "Nope, we got nothing." 1454 00:46:36,203 --> 00:46:39,573 So I started drilling down, looking into 1455 00:46:39,606 --> 00:46:40,808 Mr. Elizondo's background. 1456 00:46:40,841 --> 00:46:42,043 [camera shutter clicking] 1457 00:46:42,043 --> 00:46:44,879 [camera shutter clicking] 1458 00:46:44,912 --> 00:46:46,881 He didn't have any background. 1459 00:46:46,914 --> 00:46:48,043 There were very little things known 1460 00:46:48,043 --> 00:46:49,016 There were very little things known 1461 00:46:49,049 --> 00:46:51,017 about Mr. Elizondo as a person. 1462 00:46:52,052 --> 00:46:54,043 Who was he? What was he really doing? 1463 00:46:54,043 --> 00:46:55,189 Who was he? What was he really doing? 1464 00:46:55,222 --> 00:46:56,891 Why is the Pentagon saying, 1465 00:46:56,924 --> 00:46:59,360 "That is not what this program was. 1466 00:46:59,393 --> 00:47:00,043 There was no UFO aspect to it"? 1467 00:47:00,043 --> 00:47:02,096 There was no UFO aspect to it"? 1468 00:47:02,129 --> 00:47:05,332 And then, all of a sudden, they said, 1469 00:47:05,365 --> 00:47:06,043 "Mr. Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities 1470 00:47:06,043 --> 00:47:07,835 "Mr. Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities 1471 00:47:07,868 --> 00:47:09,670 on the AATIP program." 1472 00:47:09,703 --> 00:47:12,043 The guy that you've been seeing on the news, 1473 00:47:12,043 --> 00:47:13,374 The guy that you've been seeing on the news, 1474 00:47:13,407 --> 00:47:15,709 and nearly every publication on the planet 1475 00:47:15,742 --> 00:47:18,043 that we call Earth, he did not lead that program. 1476 00:47:18,043 --> 00:47:20,147 that we call Earth, he did not lead that program. 1477 00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:21,482 What do you do with that? 1478 00:47:21,515 --> 00:47:24,043 Who do you believe at that point? 1479 00:47:24,043 --> 00:47:24,117 Who do you believe at that point? 1480 00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:28,389 ♪ pulsing, dramatic music ♪ 1481 00:47:28,422 --> 00:47:30,043 ♪ 1482 00:47:30,043 --> 00:47:30,924 ♪